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Old 08.03.2011, 15:08
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Aren't you over simplifying here?

There is probably no country and no government in the world that is truly socialist down to every detail just as there is no government that is truly capitalist in every respect. Governments pick and choose from different systems and seek to open markets when they think their country stands to benefit, and they erect barriers where they think their country needs protection just as they let the private sector run certain parts of the economy while they prefer to let the state run others, again based on perceived or real advanatges and disadvanatges of the respective models. And at the end of the day, what's wrong with that? As long as they are honest about it.
Totally agree and I am happy that I neither live in communism nor in a completely uncontrolled capitalism as I find a social security system a great achievement. But honestly: What exactly is your point?

My point was that you cannot be pro-business and for free "one-way" markets but completely against free labour markets. You cannot demand to have the right to export your products and people wherever they want to go, but on the other hand lock the border for goods (yes, the Lega wants to raise the customs on imports) or people. It just does not make sense, no matter if you are a communist or capitalist...
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Old 08.03.2011, 15:10
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Switzerland has always depended on the influx of immigrants. One statistic I heard was that 75% of the Swiss have at least one grandparent who was an immigrant.

So any party that puts out such scaremongering posters such as the SD or UDC/SVP deserves to be called "nutters".
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I was shocked at looking this leaflet. In the name of democracy this hatemongering should not be allowed by Swiss citizens.
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Old 10.03.2011, 09:08
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Switzerland has always depended on the influx of immigrants. One statistic I heard was that 75% of the Swiss have at least one grandparent who was an immigrant.
Well, my girlfriend's mother is from Varese, her paternal grandmother from Crete, and her paternal great-grandfather from Poland, so that leaves her paternal great-grandmother as the only Swiss great-grandparent.

However, she doesn't view herself as anything but Swiss, not even Italian!

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My point was that you cannot be pro-business and for free "one-way" markets but completely against free labour markets. You cannot demand to have the right to export your products and people wherever they want to go, but on the other hand lock the border for goods (yes, the Lega wants to raise the customs on imports) or people. It just does not make sense, no matter if you are a communist or capitalist...

In Swiss politics, no single party has hegemony. You are not going to see a cohesive approach across all policies because it is not a dictatorship. Decisions are made according to established processes that are consensus driven, on an issue by issue basis. This allows the country a great deal of flexibility in policy decisions, as well as allow for contradicting approaches. Because no decision really escapes consensus, the political system allows for outlying political sentiments that would normally be considered too radical in other countries. This affords the SD, SVP, Lega, Greens, etc. to say whatever they want to voice the populace's concerns. Everyone knows fully well that no single party will take 100% control of the policies of the country.
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Old 10.03.2011, 10:01
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My point was that you cannot be pro-business and for free "one-way" markets but completely against free labour markets. You cannot demand to have the right to export your products and people wherever they want to go, but on the other hand lock the border for goods (yes, the Lega wants to raise the customs on imports) or people. It just does not make sense, no matter if you are a communist or capitalist...
There is often a difference between politicians say and what they do. When election time is coming up, politicians tend to dumb down and simplify things because they believe the voters are too stupid to understand the bigger picture. Often they simplify to the point that what they say does not make logical sense. I don't think the LEGA is an exception in that regard. My arguments was that what you say about the LEGA could equally be true about any other party (exchanging the pet topics of course). Being consistent or logical doesn't come into electioneering. Just say what the voter whats to hear so you get his vote.
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Old 10.03.2011, 10:04
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Switzerland has always depended on the influx of immigrants. One statistic I heard was that 75% of the Swiss have at least one grandparent who was an immigrant.

So any party that puts out such scaremongering posters such as the SD or UDC/SVP deserves to be called "nutters".
There is another statistic made by some paleontologists that everybody originally came out of Africa. Why can't all these Africans nutters just calm down and get on?
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Old 10.03.2011, 18:43
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I haven't seen the leaflet in question, but I understand that there's a crossword puzzle on the back.

One of the clues is: Who would be better staying in their own continent?

I'm sure you can work out the answer... (article in German)
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OMG - so you see what was meant by 'nutter'. As a Swiss I find such a 'quizz' truly and utterly shameful.

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They are environmentally concerned National Socialists. I suppose Umwelt also refers to the cultural environment.
Maybe. My guess is rather that this party is nothing more than the usual nazis with a cow in the background.
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Old 10.03.2011, 20:05
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Hi,

I found this leaflet in my postbox today (pic attached).

What comes to mind is that in the year since i've been here, i haven't seen any niqaabed women (i.e. wearing a face veil) except those who were quite clearly tourists.

Kash.
Can i print and distribute this to Tahrir sq, tunisia, libya and yemen?.....bet everyone will leave the protests and head running to Switzerland
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Maybe. My guess is rather that this party is nothing more than the usual nazis with a cow in the background.
Errr.... thats what I said.
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Oh jeez.... these SD idiots are getting WAY too much publicity and attention they deserve.

Close the thread please!

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Old 10.03.2011, 20:59
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Oh jeez.... these SD idiots are getting WAY too much publicity and attention they deserve.

Close the thread please!

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Nope this is the EF. The Godwin words here are deVere, Guardian_Wealth_Management, Churchill.
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Errr.... thats what I said.
Fair enough. I understood that you implied that they actually were interested in environment and culture. If you were being ironical and meant that they only use it as decorative background, then ,yes, I misunderstood and I was just saying the same as you.
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Old 10.03.2011, 22:02
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Fair enough. I understood that you implied that they actually were interested in environment and culture. If you were being ironical and meant that they only use it as decorative background, then ,yes, I misunderstood and I was just saying the same as you.
Believe me, there's nobody they hate more than one another. Hardly a year goes by that some member of this party doesn't take another to court over some obscure issue, or that some guy isn't kicked out of the party and threatens to start his own party (hence we have SD, PNOS, Freiheitspartei etc).

It's the People's Front of Judea against the Judean People's Front.
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Believe me, there's nobody they hate more than one another. Hardly a year goes by that some member of this party doesn't take another to court over some obscure issue, or that some guy isn't kicked out of the party and threatens to start his own party (hence we have SD, PNOS, Freiheitspartei etc).

It's the People's Front of Judea against the Judean People's Front.
Splitters!
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