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Old 11.03.2011, 11:00
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An enormous mixing transforms Geneva

The canton does not only grow. It is also the theater of very important shifts in population, which modify the profile of the Genevan resident

Geneva does not cease making its paperboxes and the removers harness with full mode. More extremely than the housing shortage, the formidable economic dynamism is not satisfied to attract in mass of new inhabitants, it generates also an incredible mixing of population. Each year, nearly 80 000 people settle in the canton, leave it or change simply address. These movements are not pain-killers. They change the face of the area and modify in-depth the standard profile of the Genevans resident. Since the passage of the millenium, Geneva grows with sharp pace. Its population grows of 1% each year. We are 464 000 today. In 2010, the canton recorded 6400 additional inhabitants, one of the biggest rises of these thirty last years. A third of this profit is to be put on an excess of births on the deaths. The remainder concerns immigration. This demographic boom is directly related to the good health of the economy. Geneva saw others of them. In the Sixties, it recorded nearly 10 000 inhabitants in more each year. At the time admittedly one had built the large cities to place them. In addition, Geneva is far from being a case except for. Other areas of Switzerland know more marked rise, like Vaud or Freiburg. Especially, the Genevean dynamism caused a boom in our neighbors, with growths of more than 2% in close France and in Nyon. The urban area counts from now on to 812 000 inhabitants. These figures still badly illustrate true dimensions of the migration. It should be known that each year, and in a chronic way, 25 000 people settle in the canton, and nearly 20 000 leaves it. This phenomenon does not have anything in particular to the canton, even if it is particularly marked.

The arrival of the Anglo-Saxons

Who are this crowd which arrives or which from goes away? The statistics are not very talkative. It is known however that the great migrations coming from the south of Europe are finished. Twenty years ago, 7000 Portuguese posed each year their bags in Geneva. They are nothing any more but 1500. These immigrants, who came to achieve the tasks that the Genevans did not want to make any more, still represent the principal foreign communities. But they are replaced little by little. Today, it is North and West which one comes. French immigration doubled, just like that coming from the United Kingdom or of North America. These new immigrants come here to work in the multinationals or the banking environment. They are better formed and settle in the residential communes or the districts of Left bank. Contrary to the Sixties, Geneva is unable to build sufficient residences to face this immigration. Result: the exodus towards close France accelerates. In 2009, 1700 Genevese residents left to be installed on the Coast, and 2000 in the French Genevois. And these figures, partial, are undoubtedly below reality. For the remainder, the Genevans are tightened in the apartments to be made place, though in a still moderate way. Paradoxically, the tournus on the rental market is important. Each year, nearly 35 000 people removal inside the canton.

The rich person drive out the poor

This enormous mixing and the new profile of the migrants modifies little by little the distribution of the residents on the territory. Switzerland and Geneva were saved a long time by the “gentryfication”, this phenomenon which sees the rich person driving out the poor of the cities. One notes from now on a strong concentration of the executives and intellectual professions in the downtown area and an opposite movement in certain cities like Lignon or Meyrin. The studies which show it are already ten years old. There is no doubt that the phenomenon still strongly increased.

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Re: An enormous mixing transforms Geneva

Shortly after reading Bertrand's post I found the same issue discussed in the NY Times: Geneva Park in Limbo as City's Loyalties Conflict. The conflict in the title refers to the tensions between the needs of the international community and the Genevans. The article is about the future of the Domaine du Château de Penthes:
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A tussle encapsulating the tensions between the city’s international aspirations and local realities is playing out in microcosm at a prime property in the heart of Geneva’s international district.

The site, Le Domaine du Château de Penthes, dates to the 14th century and comprises six buildings, including the quirky, charming Museum of the Swiss Abroad in the main manor. Also included are a museum on Geneva’s military history, a restaurant and education and conference facilities.

A foundation that has been managing the site and museum for decades has a lease with the owner, the Geneva regional government, that expires early next year. The problem is that the regional government, or canton, will not disclose its plans, leaving the foundation in limbo and unsure whether it should stay and invest, try to relocate or close down.

The canton has signaled, however, that it favors redeveloping the site as a retreat for international organizations. “We are the owner and we will do what we want with it,” said Olivier Coutau, the canton’s representative for international organizations.
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Shortly after reading Bertrand's post I found the same issue discussed in the NY Times: Geneva Park in Limbo as City's Loyalties Conflict. The conflict in the title refers to the tensions between the needs of the international community and the Genevans. The article is about the future of the Domaine du Château de Penthes:
Yeah, I saw a very short report in the newspapers about it sometimes ago.
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Yeah, I saw a very short report in the newspapers about it sometimes ago.
Maybe this: Un salon pour diplomates menace le Musée des mercenaires? Note: Article published in early December of last year ... there may be new developments.
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Re: An enormous mixing transforms Geneva

I guess that Geneva's, and Switzerland's, position is not really very different to many other countries.

The world is getting much smaller as we all travel around. Many countries are now multi-national, multi-cultural in parts, if not the whole country.

Perhaps in a few centuries there will be few discernable nationalities.

That reminds me of this:
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Maybe this: Un salon pour diplomates menace le Musée des mercenaires? Note: Article published in early December of last year ... there may be new developments.
thanks for link. it was another article, I don't read Le Temps ( )
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Re: An enormous mixing transforms Geneva

The Domaine du Château de Penthes is a wonderful place to walk your dog, to jog, to show to visiting friends, to have lunch, etc. It is truly a patrimoine for the Genevois and international residents. If the Etat de Genève fences the place off for just the international orgs, then that is a shame.
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The Domaine du Château de Penthes is a wonderful place to walk your dog, to jog, to show to visiting friends, to have lunch, etc. It is truly a patrimoine for the Genevois and international residents. If the Etat de Genève fences the place off for just the international orgs, then that is a shame.
you may have wondered why nobody, whether local or immigrant, from the "Alémanique" responded to the topic ??? Because Geneva is a strange place. A place which is simply an "outsider" in many ways. A place which is overfilled clearly and where expansion it to take place either in the Vaud or on the French side. THIS is a tiny bit different in Zurich, where a lot of the expansion is inside the CANTON and has in the meantime reached the German border, BUT also in neighbouring Cantons like Thurgau, Schaffhausen, Zug, Schwyz and St. Gallen where places like ...., Schaffhausen-Stadt, Baar, Cham, Zug, Pfäffikon-am-Zürichsee/SZ, Lachen/SZ and Rapperswil/Jona long ago have become outer suburbs of Zurich or at least part of the agglomeration of Zurich . Many of the problems mentioned sound similar to the ones in Zurich EXCEPT that in Zurich you can say "let's move this to ....." and you talk about places still inside the Canton.

The solution ? Either the Canton of Geneva or the Swiss Confederation ought to rent, for 99 years, the area from Ferney-Voltaire over to Bellegarde and from there over to Annemasse and from there to Thonon ! And of course with the option to have a fully binding referendum in these areas after 29 years whether they would like to join the CH confederation as Canton Savoie-Genevois (Genfer-Savoyen)

The adjoining district(s) of Nyon and Rolle/Morges ought to be given the option to change over to the Canton of Geneva
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Geneva could also leave Switzerland and become the Capital of the duchy of Savoy...
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Geneva could also leave Switzerland and become the Capital of the duchy of Savoy...
Or it may join, as the "Arab Socialist Republic of Geneva" the E.U. and the U.N. and in order to placate those
Anglo immigrants and Anglo investors immediately apply for membership of the Commonwealth-of-Nations, BEFORE applying for member ship of the League of Arab Countries.
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Or it may join, as the "Arab Socialist Republic of Geneva" the E.U. and the U.N.
and by that you are implying what exactly?
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you may have wondered why nobody, whether local or immigrant, from the "Alémanique" responded to the topic ??? Because Geneva is a strange place. A place which is simply an "outsider" in many ways. A place which is overfilled clearly and where expansion it to take place either in the Vaud or on the French side. THIS is a tiny bit different in Zurich, where a lot of the expansion is inside the CANTON and has in the meantime reached the German border, BUT also in neighbouring Cantons like Thurgau, Schaffhausen, Zug, Schwyz and St. Gallen where places like ...., Schaffhausen-Stadt, Baar, Cham, Zug, Pfäffikon-am-Zürichsee/SZ, Lachen/SZ and Rapperswil/Jona long ago have become outer suburbs of Zurich or at least part of the agglomeration of Zurich . Many of the problems mentioned sound similar to the ones in Zurich EXCEPT that in Zurich you can say "let's move this to ....." and you talk about places still inside the Canton.

The solution ? Either the Canton of Geneva or the Swiss Confederation ought to rent, for 99 years, the area from Ferney-Voltaire over to Bellegarde and from there over to Annemasse and from there to Thonon ! And of course with the option to have a fully binding referendum in these areas after 29 years whether they would like to join the CH confederation as Canton Savoie-Genevois (Genfer-Savoyen)

The adjoining district(s) of Nyon and Rolle/Morges ought to be given the option to change over to the Canton of Geneva
Isn't a lot of this due to Geneva's location? It almost seems added on to the border of Switzerland as if nobody else wanted it. Lake Geneva (Leman) and Mont Blanc also add to it becoming an somewhat separate community.

In my trips to Switzerland, Geneva is just about the only major town/city that I haven't visited yet. It is not really a place that you may be passing through on your way to somewhere else, unless you arrive by air. In those cases you are probably in a rush to be somewhere else.

Next month I will remedy this omission from my places visited.
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and by that you are implying what exactly?
You take things rather seriously I see I am not really "implying" anything (most of all nothing "exact"), BUT if you look back into history, Geneva in 1815 opted in favour of the Swiss Confederation as the lesser evil against France. Geneva for ages was allied with Berne and to a lesser extent with Zurich and so opted to take up that alliance for full. CH offered GE some real autonomy and relative "independence" which France did NOT. Geneva however no longer is the Geneva of those days, dominated by a clear and strong Calvinist majority, and its strong Arab and Anglophone minorities over time may play a more dominant and interesting role. A peaceful secession out of CH somewhere in the future may well be the way, even if difficult to imagine right now. Exactly in this, you cannot compare Geneva with Zurich. There are quite many similarities but as many differences. While the "Republic" title in case of Neuchâtel/Neuenburg can be understood as a way to emphasize the difference to the earlier Principality & Canton, the title "Rèpublique & Canton de " in case of Geneva in historic view does make sense.

Geneva as a separate country in the Europe of the future might make at least as much sense as Luxembourg or possibly more
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Geneva could also leave Switzerland and become the Capital of the duchy of Savoy...
that would be hot...Geneva does have a history of independence.
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The solution ? Either the Canton of Geneva or the Swiss Confederation ought to rent, for 99 years, the area from Ferney-Voltaire over to Bellegarde and from there over to Annemasse and from there to Thonon !
Nah, Geneva should just annex those territories and get back what they had to cede to the Savoyardes during the Counter-Reformation. Paris may not be amused by this though. Geographically it makes sense with the Jura as the northern border and the Chablais Alps as the southern border.

BTW, Geneva will never be the capital of the "Duchy of Savoy", not after the history of the Escalade. The merger with Haute-Savoie will just be the République de Gèneve.
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Geneva however no longer is the Geneva of those days, dominated by a clear and strong Calvinist majority, and its strong Arab and Anglophone minorities over time may play a more dominant and interesting role. A peaceful secession out of CH somewhere in the future may well be the way, even if difficult to imagine right now.
That isn't what the politicians in the Grand Conseil are pushing for. Geneva is quite proud of its connection to Switzerland. The Monument National celebrates Geneva's adhesion to the Confederation and they still give speeches and ceremonies around it. But the speeches often mention that Geneva is the leader of Switzerland in making it more open to the rest of the world in particular toward Europe.

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that would be hot...Geneva does have a history of independence.
And it got one Egyptian who is experienced in freedom protests, independence & revolution if required
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The funny bit about this statue is that the girls taken as models were from savoy..... they were the enemy....

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Contrary to the Sixties, Geneva is unable to build sufficient residences to face this immigration. Result: the exodus towards close France accelerates. In 2009, 1700 Genevese residents left to be installed on the Coast, and 2000 in the French Genevois. And these figures, partial, are undoubtedly below reality. For the remainder, the Genevans are tightened in the apartments to be made place, though in a still moderate way. Paradoxically, the tournus on the rental market is important. Each year, nearly 35 000 people removal inside the canton.
Just out of curiosity---can native Genevois who are Swiss citizens retain their Swiss citizenship if they move to France but still work in Geneva?
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Yes, of course.
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