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Old 17.03.2011, 15:50
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

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And nobody wonders if this was Jeremy Clarckson or not ?

Never mind Jeremy crying - look what the spray did to the faces of the other two...
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Old 17.03.2011, 16:01
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Never mind Jeremy crying - look what the spray did to the faces of the other two...
Funnily enough, in the German 20 mins yesterday, the faces weren't pixellated.
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Old 17.03.2011, 18:26
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Don't know if anyone else saw this, but a passenger on the BLS who had forgotten to stamp his ticket and then gave a false address was pepper-sprayed and tackled to the ground by the four ticket inspectors.
http://www.20min.ch/news/basel/story...ahrer-29104510
Other passengers were affected by the spray too.
Talk about over-reaction, surely they are liable for assault and possibly false imprisonment charges? He was drunk, but didn't try to attack any of them according to the report (which is reason for carrying the spray, apparently).
Oh, these were some brilliant ones I guess.


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The passenger gave a false address, so the inspectors decided that police action was necessary. When the passenger wanted to get off, the four inspectors pulled him back and told him to remain seated, (until they got to Langenthal were the police were waiting). The man fought back.

Using pepper spray in a train is a bad idea - being a confined space. But otherwise the actions of the ticket inspectors, toward a drunk and apparently violent passenger, seem appropriate.

In any case, there will be an investigation, to see if the action was proportionate.

I've experienced a clear-out of an entire pub because someone squirted some pepper spray, and one guy had to be taken to the emergency clinic because it triggered an asthma attack.

Certainly in a train / tram it is a bad bad bad idea. Where do these folks get their training anyhow?
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Old 17.03.2011, 23:21
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

4 inspectors against 1 "drunk guy" who was making a bee line for the door? So, they needed to pepper spary him, in the train, in a cofined space with other passengers, so he would stay in the train?

And the police vehicle to take him to "wherever-they-normally-take-drunks-to-the-right-place" could not meet this guy where he was stepping off? The inspectors had to pepper-spray him, in the train, to keep him on the train, so they could meet the police at an agreed stop?

Too bad the guy offered a false address and just dug himself deeper. I personally don't think the actions of the inspectors are acceptable. I also suspect that they will get away with it, with "just the threat of a slap on the wrist" at most. But I will also wait for the official investigation and outcome.

On a side note, the other day, I was in the bus at Bern main train station. 3 inspectors climed aboard, and then 2 women jumped on board, just before the doors closed. As soon as one of the women saw the inspectors, she jumped off. Then so did the 3 inspectors and they cornered her against the building. I thought it was pretty intimidating - this single woman surrounded by 3 bulky guys with very little "personal space". She knows she is busted. She gets a few words of "excuse", but they are going to give her a tkt anyway. They may threaten her with "we are calling the police." So, just give her the ticket, be nice about it, be done with it and move on.

From what I saw with this woman, I think they are getting extremly aggressive, for a tiny reason.

I remember getting caught once, about 9 years ago, when my "kurtztreck"(sp??) ticket had just expired. There was only one inspector (50+ years old). The inspector wanted to see my permit when he noticed that my ticket was expired. He was nice, polite, firm, and accepted my proof that I do buy the tickets (when I showed him a stack of expired tickets still in my wallet), gave me a firm warning to keep an eye on the time and let me go with that.

But I guess things change over time . . .
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Old 18.03.2011, 01:39
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

I would hire a really good lawyer and sue them for assault.
They have no right to attack people trying to constraint them, because they are not trained to do so!
They can only check the tickets, and if someone refuses, they can call the police. And that thing about false adress, come on, the guy was drunk. sometimes I don't even know my name when I'm drunk!
Maybe the guy was really polite, and didn't want to puke in the tram. That could have been the reason why he wanted to step out
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Old 18.03.2011, 08:01
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In that case, everyone can have pepperspray with them and use it in case we fill cornered..
As they're trained to use pepperspray as a last resort, I assume they're legally permitted to use it.

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How and when did they found out his address was bogus?
They considered it unlikely that Mickey Mouse Mansions, Donaldduckvil was really where he lived.

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They have no right to attack people trying to constraint them, because they are not trained to do so!...
Do we know this for sure? Anyone know the law on citizen arrest in this country? And as for training, see my response to Joey above.

For those who are so outraged, why not check the results of the court case. Maybe the judge will find that they behaved totally disproportionately. As I mentioned before, I know of one occasion where the police gave the inspectors a right bollixing, so officialdom sticking together might well not be the case here.
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:09
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But I guess things change over time . . .
Or you got a different inspector.

Really, though - this is a reader-reported story (not even proper investigative journalism - yet) about a drunk, and y'all tend to immediately believe that the drunk was in the right?

Like N-A-T says, give it a day or two to develop before you jump to the conclusion ship. Let's see what comes out.
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:36
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

I know of two cases (mates of mine), who took these thugs to court over their excessive and knee-jerk reactions. One time, they had a girl friend of mine by the neck against the tram shelter, all for no ticket. My mates both won their cases.
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Old 18.03.2011, 10:38
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

Maybe he was just too drunk to remember the correct address. What? It could happen....not speaking from experience
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Old 18.03.2011, 11:32
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it IS boring.

In england, they'd have let him get off then dragged him into an alley and kicked the shit out of him.

Now thats proper justice.
i loled. thank you for that.

From my own california experience, if this had happened on a BART train in Oakland or Sanfrancisco he'd've been tasered handcuffed and then shot when he was lying helpless on the ground.
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Old 18.03.2011, 16:42
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i loled. thank you for that.

From my own california experience, if this had happened on a BART train in Oakland or Sanfrancisco he'd've been tasered handcuffed and then shot when he was lying helpless on the ground.

Only if the offender is black or hispanic.

Personally I think its all part of the N.W.O conspiracy. But the frequency on my tin foil hat is a bit off today. Tune it tomorrow.
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

I am sure they are going to add to the 80 CHF bill the cost of the pepper-spray.
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Jeremy Clarckson got pepper sprayed for being drunk in Basel, we discuss that now..
Yeah, but he deserves the pepper. The arrogant self-centered git.
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Re: Passenger pepper-sprayed by ticket inspectors

British Rail (as I experienced some thirty years ago)used to just kick you off at the next station ,one could wait for the next train and risk it again,sleep it off,beg/busk for money, or hitch-hike home.
Using chemical weapons and police powers to intimidate a human being into giving information is interrogation .
Cut some slack and be humane please.
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Next time I travel by train, I will order my Pepper Steak
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Using chemical weapons and police powers to intimidate a human being into giving information is interrogation .
Cut some slack and be humane please.
[devil's advocate]

Riding the train without a valid ticket, then giving a false address to avoid receiving the fine, is illegal.

Obey the rule of law, please...

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There seems to be a whole pile of internet judging defending the poor drunk guy on the train. However none of us were there so cannot say who was in the right and who was in the wrong. There seem to be very few actual facts available about the case, other than that there's an investigation under way to establish whether excessive force was employed.

I think it somewhat ironic that those prepared to dismiss the investigation as a cover-up are the same names who crop up elsewhere denigrating the Swiss for their strict adherence to the rules - surely some contradiction there, n'est ce pas..?
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