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Old 19.03.2011, 18:15
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Geneva : New Plane for Swiss (the Greek islands, Cyprus, Egypt, the Canarian Island)

The airline company will open the second daily connection towards and from Athens. The plane will also serve, in partnership with Edelweiss Air, seaside destinations.

Swiss and its subsidiary will connect in particular the Greek islands, Cyprus, Egypt and the Canarian Islands, specified on Friday by Jean Claude Donzel, spokesman of the airline company in hands of German Lufthansa.

The new Airbus A320, which carries henceforth the fleet of Swiss in nine planes at the airport of Cointrin, will generate indirectly jobs. But it is not possible to advance a figure for the moment, according to Jean-Claude Donzel.

editing : forget to write that it will happen end of April ...

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Interesting is that Lufthansa and its "Swiss" appendix have to shift strategies. While Lufthansa when purchasing "Swiss" simply wanted to buy into the Zurich base, they now realize that by neglecting Geneva, they opened that backdoor for SkyTeam Alliance and OneWorld Alliance. Just a single A320 does not turn around much as a single airplane is up for at most four turn-arounds per day. So that it will be interesting to see whether more is to come.

In fact, the Lufthanseaten found Geneva a bit strange to them right when they started moving in
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I remember how angry we all were when the former Swiss Air management just decided to pack it up, leave Geneva, and concentrate all the business in Zürich. Isn't it ironic that it takes a German company to make the proper management decision realizing that (surprise, surprise) there is money to be made in Geneva! I'm happy to see more non-stop destinations!
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I remember how angry we all were when the former Swiss Air management just decided to pack it up, leave Geneva, and concentrate all the business in Zürich. Isn't it ironic that it takes a German company to make the proper management decision realizing that (surprise, surprise) there is money to be made in Geneva! I'm happy to see more non-stop destinations!
money to be made in Geneva ? Yes, but for sure not with moving flights, destined for an "Alèmanique" clientele, via Geneva. The management of Swissair never realized that Geneva is a market clearly different from Zurich. Discuss holidays if in company of family members from "dä Oschtschwiiz und Schaffuuse" and "la Romandie" ! You speak about vastly different priorities. Or in terms of the export industry. While we in an aircargo-company in Zurich in the 80ies found it difficult to bring together the consol to Montreal, but very easy to get out twice weekly to Toronto, our colleagues in Geneva had up to two weekly consols to Montreal but dispatched their Toronto-stuff by truck to ZRH to have it combined with our weekend loads.

It therefore was only correct of Mr Bruggisser to stop the Geneva stops of the longhaul flights out of Zurich. BUT he failed to build up a replacement as he simply detested the Romandie as much as he detested Belgium. He out of this stopped integration steps which might have saved BOTH Swissair and SABENA. He rather embarked onto a program of purchasing airlines who for whatever reasons had got into trouble. He purchased AOM, a company specialized in holiday flights to the DOM-TOMs of France and turned the company into an operation between Paris and Zurich !

Mr Bruggisser at a certain stage started to send out critical directors to places like "country manager Japan" or "regional manager Scandinavia" or "regional manager North-Eastern USA". And gradually became the undisputed 'Duce' of his company.
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money to be made in Geneva ? Yes, but for sure not with moving flights, destined for an "Alèmanique" clientele, via Geneva. The management of Swissair never realized that Geneva is a market clearly different from Zurich. Discuss holidays if in company of family members from "dä Oschtschwiiz und Schaffuuse" and "la Romandie" ! You speak about vastly different priorities.
If they never realized that the two markets were different, then the management were incredibly incompetent. The people preferred different destinations but that should have been patently obvious! Basic market research. Also, they completely ignored the expat market (i.e., the desire for direct flights from Geneva to New York for example).

No, I believe the management decided to move out for different reasons...

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It therefore was only correct of Mr Bruggisser to stop the Geneva stops of the longhaul flights out of Zurich. BUT he failed to build up a replacement as he simply detested the Romandie as much as he detested Belgium.
Ah ha! The Röstigraben syndrome strikes again!

In the end, I guess Geneva benefited. We got cheap flights to the UK and France before the other Swiss airports. But I would have preferred that Swiss Air survived.
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If they never realized that the two markets were different, then the management were incredibly incompetent. The people preferred different destinations but that should have been patently obvious! Basic market research. Also, they completely ignored the expat market (i.e., the desire for direct flights from Geneva to New York for example).

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Ah ha! The Röstigraben syndrome strikes again!

In the end, I guess Geneva benefited. We got cheap flights to the UK and France before the other Swiss airports. But I would have preferred that Swiss Air survived.
A) That the management was incredibly incompetent is a legally proven fact. According to the court verdicts they were not crooks, only failures
B) To take note about the expats market was not the strong point about them either
C) To accept things, obvious to most people, was not their business, as they of course knew everything and nobody knew better then them
D) Geneva only benefitted by getting EasyJet and so in terms of passenger-numbers but not so much in regard to ex-point-pax-kms AND lost quite many (non-Swiss) airlines. Had BSL lost as many carriers it would now be deeply in the MINUS !
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