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Recent elections - city of Geneva

Not sure how this got by unnoticed. The result of the recent municipal vote in Geneva was a swing toward extremism. The big winner was the MCG (Geneva Citzen's Movement) a single-issue local party that is against people who live in France crossing the border. The impact to foreigners (EU and non-EU) could be substantial as many expats live on the French side due to housing costs. If the party continues to grow in power, one might see new laws limiting jobs to Geneva residents only, reduction of efforts to smooth the flow of border crossings, etc.

Article in French from the Tribune de Genève:

http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-geneve...lle-2011-03-13
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Old 24.03.2011, 12:32
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

Courtesy translation when run under Google Translate is here.
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Old 24.03.2011, 13:26
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MCG is a big thing now in Geneva. I never thought that this guy (stauffer) would get so many followers when he started his party.

I know, in the small village where I lived before I got ill some people who are members of the MCG.

I just stopped to talk with them. They are just so ... disturbing
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

Interesting... we'll see.

About 10% of the employees at our place are swiss. Neither the folk in the factory, nor the ultra-specialized high flyers are going to be replaced by locals (Swiss, never mind Geneva). Nor will the nurses, or the blokes digging up the roads, or anybody very much, IMHO. Looks like a lot of bluster.

Geneva has a housing crisis and very little unemployment, so I don't quite know what these people want.
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Not sure how this got by unnoticed. The result of the recent municipal vote in Geneva was a swing toward extremism. The big winner was the MCG (Geneva Citzen's Movement) a single-issue local party that is against people who live in France crossing the border. The impact to foreigners (EU and non-EU) could be substantial as many expats live on the French side due to housing costs. If the party continues to grow in power, one might see new laws limiting jobs to Geneva residents only, reduction of efforts to smooth the flow of border crossings, etc.

Article in French from the Tribune de Genève:

http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-geneve...lle-2011-03-13

Geneva often in the past 100 years did surprises in its local elections. There were notable successes of the Communists between 1925 and 1970, and that even in the 60ies, when the Communists elsewhere in Switzerland were "démodés" !

More with the trend were the elections in Basel-Land, but the Zurich elections next weekend will show which way things are going
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Old 29.03.2011, 07:23
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Geneva has a housing crisis and very little unemployment, so I don't quite know what these people want.
it's very simple : Genevans first.
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Old 29.03.2011, 08:39
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

The MCG is a local version of the UDC/SVP for those who find the latter unpalatable. It hides behind the slogan "neither left nor right", but one only needs to look at its original name "Mouvement blochérien genevois" to figure out its inspiration. As another indicator, one of its founders, Georges Letellier, eventually helped to start the Geneva section of the extremist party, Swiss Democrats.
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

I am not surprised, I think it has to do with recent development in the city..I always thought (or my friends explained to me), there was this push to the left, traditionally. It looks just like a reaction, not that everybody would be heading to extreme right. Now, when you think how foreign this city actually is, it must be appealing for the locals to hear populistic phrases about protecting their territory. It looks like a push to regain power while avoiding competition for people, in stead of healthily compete. If local standards of edu, for example, do not saturate the jobs that are offered, city will always outsource. And not only from other Swiss cities (they are doing it already), but from the entire world (which is happening for decades already). I have a feeling locals realize that, so stepping up for some, and falling for populism for others. There will be even more friction, in my opinion. The stereotyping posters by dif political parties were interesting, for the last campaign. Just the way campaigns are run here is a sociology study on its own..
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

interesting to know that, I never heard of that party before
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I am not surprised, I think it has to do with recent development in the city..I always thought (or my friends explained to me), there was this push to the left, traditionally. It looks just like a reaction, not that everybody would be heading to extreme right. Now, when you think how foreign this city actually is, it must be appealing for the locals to hear populistic phrases about protecting their territory. It looks like a push to regain power while avoiding competition for people, in stead of healthily compete. If local standards of edu, for example, do not saturate the jobs that are offered, city will always outsource. And not only from other Swiss cities (they are doing it already), but from the entire world (which is happening for decades already). I have a feeling locals realize that, so stepping up for some, and falling for populism for others. There will be even more friction, in my opinion. The stereotyping posters by dif political parties were interesting, for the last campaign. Just the way campaigns are run here is a sociology study on its own..
Just came across this thread. I fully agree that foreigners will continue to be needed to do high skilled jobs, however I get the impression that many of the foreigners here are not well educated and perhaps this is the reason for the relatively high unemployment Geneva has.
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it's very simple : Genevans first.
As a foreigner living in Geneva I don't disagree with the idea that people who work in Geneva should live in Geneva, or at least in Switzerland.

Salary dumping would be my main concern. Why would you pay a fair salary to a local if somebody living 1 hour away is willing to take less? seems like a no-brainer for the employer. I haven't lived here long enough to know if it's true but many people I know say it has already happened.

Of course, it doesn't help at all that the party in question is MCG. If they keep things simple and show statistics I would take them seriously but they just blame the evil french for everything. It is very difficult to know where the true is...
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Old 11.05.2011, 11:55
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As a foreigner living in Geneva I don't disagree with the idea that people who work in Geneva should live in Geneva, or at least in Switzerland.

Salary dumping would be my main concern. Why would you pay a fair salary to a local if somebody living 1 hour away is willing to take less? seems like a no-brainer for the employer. I haven't lived here long enough to know if it's true but many people I know say it has already happened.

Of course, it doesn't help at all that the party in question is MCG. If they keep things simple and show statistics I would take them seriously but they just blame the evil french for everything. It is very difficult to know where the true is...
i think it would be pretty silly to only give jobs to people who live in the same city or even country, preference maybe but not forced to.
you can live in france and be in the centre of geneva quicker than some people living on the outskirts of geneva..
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

I would love to know just who the unemployed in Geneva are - how many of them are children of recent immigrants?
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Paying 'frontaliers' less is totally illegal and has been for some time. French Communes with frontaliers also pay the Swiss Commune employing them a compensation fee (as they do not have to pay un-employment benefits to them and they are taxed in France).
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Re: Recent elections - city of Geneva

If the MCG actually started using statistics its vote share would fall.

Its focus on people crossing the border to work is absurd. The MCG cannot do anything about people living in france working in Geneva since they are overwhelmingly from the EU.

The other option that could make any significant headway in making "Geneva for Genevans" would be to ask one or more of the UN agencies to leave. Which would have immediate repercussions for the local economy in terms of thousands of well paying jobs, and a whole lot of money spent by the UN dissapearing.

About 17% of the foreign population is from Asia and Africa, around 30k people, and I suspect a large proportion of them are employed by the UN, and the various consulates and missions.
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Its focus on people crossing the border to work is absurd.
The border itself is becoming increasingly absurd. Geneva and France should coordinate the construction of new housing and public transport.
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Its focus on people crossing the border to work is absurd. The MCG cannot do anything about people living in france working in Geneva since they are overwhelmingly from the EU.
Maybe because non-eu people are not allowed to work in Geneva and live in France?

Does anybody have the links to the law that allowed the inter-country commute? I believe it is relatively new and I would love to know the details a bit better (for instance, the mechanisms to avoid salary dumping).
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French Communes with frontaliers also pay the Swiss Commune employing them a compensation fee (as they do not have to pay un-employment benefits to them and they are taxed in France).
That's actually not the case in GVA: "Frontaliers" are taxed by the canton and only a minor part of their income taxes (ca. 20%) is ceded to France (to the municipality of residence).

Hence, "frontaliers" (which, BTW, are increasingly of Swiss nationality due to housing shortage) are the cantonal treasurer's dream: They come to work & pay their taxes but hardly use any of the tax-financed infrastructure (crêches, hospitals, etc.). Actually, if they lose their job, they even don't get their unenployment money from Switzerland (but from France) although they are obliged to contribute to the Swiss unenployment insurance system...

If the "frontalier" is an EU expat, Geneva (and Switzerland) even win(s) three times since they benefit from his/her education without ever having had to pay for it (Yes folks, Universities are expensive) !

Thus, if you want to be a financially healthy municipality in the canton of GVA, you should only build offices (no housing !!!) and have EU "frontaliers" come there for work! Of course (as usual), the Swiss blame everyon else except themselves for their own stupid, greedy laws
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"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
Here most of the frontaliers work in the luxury watch industry, and the rule does apply. Same job=same pay. However I can see this might be much easier to manipulate in the Hotel/restaurant trade and small shops.
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