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Old 03.04.2011, 11:55
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SVP: Foreigners to blame for Swiss Nuclear consumption

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According to the very brilliant SVP politician and SVP president (and probably Blocher's lover boy) the foreigners are now to blame for increase nuclear power plant consumption. So when there is a nuclear power plant incident they now have a scape-goat!!! - Keep the retardness coming!!!

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto...erung-25063306

PS. how can the biggest party in Switzerland get so big with only one topic? I know it's election year, but aren't there other more important issues than just connecting everything that is negative to foreigners...

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Old 03.04.2011, 12:52
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Re: SVP: Foreigners to blame for Swiss Nuclear consumption

I think we should applaud him for this incredibly creative twist on both the Nuclear power and immigration themes!

Oh, and to all the Swiss out there: if it does explode, we are so sorry. It is all our fault.
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Oh, and to all the Swiss out there: if it does explode, we are so sorry. It is all our fault.
I'm not. I'm hiding in my swiss nuclear bunker.
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Old 03.04.2011, 16:07
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Hello

According to the very brilliant SVP politician and SVP president (and probably Blocher's lover boy) the foreigners are now to blame for increase nuclear power plant consumption. So when there is a nuclear power plant incident they now have a scape-goat!!! - Keep the retardness coming!!!

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto...erung-25063306

PS. how can the biggest party in Switzerland get so big with only one topic? I know it's election year, but aren't there other more important issues than just connecting everything that is negative to foreigners...
It reminds me of the great saying: when you have a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail.
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Old 03.04.2011, 16:19
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It reminds me of the great saying: when you have a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail.
I am sure, not to blameThis gonna be a other 1468 page , thread where is my walking cane I need something to hold on to
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Old 03.04.2011, 16:57
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I am shocked! Shocked! Those Swiss are incorrigible

Pretty lame thought. Our own Lou Dobbs (in the US) is more subtle when blasting the foreigners.
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Old 03.04.2011, 17:06
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Re: SVP: Foreigners to blame for Swiss Nuclear consumption

Ok, now I feel even worse for having accidentally slung my voting papers... One can just hope that they end up making that final far too ridiculous claim that will open their voters' eyes... This could actually be it.
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Old 03.04.2011, 17:31
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Re: SVP: Foreigners to blame for Swiss Nuclear consumption

I find them quite entertaining! I am now excited to see what will be the next initiative! We have to give them credit for their huge imagination on ''How to blame the foreigners!''

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Old 03.04.2011, 17:35
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One can just hope that they end up making that final far too ridiculous claim that will open their voters' eyes... This could actually be it.
As a matter of fact, it is in my eyes the first time the SVP standpoint is logically correct: Switzerland managed over the past decades to have a very strong economy. This generated jobs which in turn attracted foreigners to come here - so the society and wealth is growing.
Most people consider this to be a good thing, but it does come at a cost - there are more cars, more households, more factories... so you need more resources, from food over oil to electricity. If the voters tell their government to make policies that force companies to move their jobs abroad it would probably really make a power plant or two obsolete. Stopping to produce artificial snow for those annoying foreign ski tourists could save another one...
But I am missing the open discussion what this would then mean for the average low-earning SVP voter. I'd say their taxes would easily double...
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Old 03.04.2011, 17:58
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As a matter of fact, it is in my eyes the first time the SVP standpoint is logically correct: Switzerland managed over the past decades to have a very strong economy. This generated jobs which in turn attracted foreigners to come here - so the society and wealth is growing.
Most people consider this to be a good thing, but it does come at a cost - there are more cars, more households, more factories... so you need more resources, from food over oil to electricity. If the voters tell their government to make policies that force companies to move their jobs abroad it would probably really make a power plant or two obsolete. Stopping to produce artificial snow for those annoying foreign ski tourists could save another one...
But I am missing the open discussion what this would then mean for the average low-earning SVP voter. I'd say their taxes would easily double...
OK let's assume it. But how you can you link it to the choice of nuclear plants to produce electricity? Hydraulic, solar, wind are also sources to produce electricity. What s the responsibility of foreigners (with no voting rights) in this choice?
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Old 03.04.2011, 18:13
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OK let's assume it. But how you can you link it to the choice of nuclear plants to produce electricity? Hydraulic, solar, wind are also sources to produce electricity. What s the responsibility of foreigners (with no voting rights) in this choice?
Its not the foreigner per se and they are not the decision makers. But the economic need behind it makes it simple: If you need to produce electricity for economic reasons, you want to do it in the cheapest way possible. If you do not have to calculate the costs for the disposal of nuclear waste in a fair way or need to include the costs of the risks we are currently witnessing in Japan - then nuclear power is simply very cheap. This "cheap" is the single cause for Fukushima: It was perfectly possible to prevent the explosions - even with an earthquake of this size. They saved on safety wherever the government allowed it.
Every single private company does this - it is basically their duty to maximise the income within legal boundaries... currently German politicians push the federal government to raise pressure on Switzerland to switch of some of the over 40yr old "junk reactors" that are still in use along the border: http://www.tagesschau.sf.tv/Nachrich...-Schweizer-AKW. So if you reduce the economic pressure on the energy production by throwing out major parts of your economy.... ok, never mind.

The actual point is: You could expect a position like this from a radical environmentalist (with a dash of socialism in order to make him want the power stations to be nationalized...). But seriously: SVP, are you sure this matches your values?
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Re: SVP: Foreigners to blame for Swiss Nuclear consumption

The demand for power in general has increased markedly. The population of Switzerland has increased by about 650,000 since I have moved here
to about 7.8 million. These people use electricity just like you and I.....
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Old 03.04.2011, 18:52
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Of course, one could meta-argue that Uusländer are to blame for the existence/survival of the SVP in the first place

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Old 03.04.2011, 19:18
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The demand for power in general has increased markedly. The population of Switzerland has increased by about 650,000 since I have moved here
to about 7.8 million. These people use electricity just like you and I.....
And yet: the newest Swiss nuclear power plant (Leibstadt) was planned already in 1964 and opened in 1984. So the foreigners arriving after that did not really require a new plant as of yet, did they?
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Old 03.04.2011, 19:38
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And yet: the newest Swiss nuclear power plant (Leibstadt) was planned already in 1964 and opened in 1984. So the foreigners arriving after that did not really require a new plant as of yet, did they?
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Silly me I never realised there was a Swiss Parliment, its always seemed a pretty lawless society here to me ! Apart from those petty traffic police that is ..............

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Aw, come on people, this was a pretty lame attempt by SVP to regain traction, as what happened in Japan considerably shifted the public interest towards other themes (GWBs "nucular"). Jumping on everything they say is basically nothing other than helping them steering the focus away from themes where they cannot dominate the public discourse.

And what "we" don't want do is handing them back the big stage.

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Old 03.04.2011, 20:27
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And yet: the newest Swiss nuclear power plant (Leibstadt) was planned already in 1964 and opened in 1984. So the foreigners arriving after that did not really require a new plant as of yet, did they?
Are we swiss good in planing for the future
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Are we swiss good in planing for the future
That is why you left? For my country?
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OK let's assume it. But how you can you link it to the choice of nuclear plants to produce electricity? Hydraulic, solar, wind are also sources to produce electricity. What s the responsibility of foreigners (with no voting rights) in this choice?
I don't think that's what they are saying.

Some of the more immigrant friendly parties are saying immigration is a good thing and there is no problem really if the population rises as a result. The SVP are saying, not so. If you are a tree hugger and angry about some trees being cut down to widen the road, or about that pretty meadow being turned into a housing estate, then maybe you should be asking why these things are necessary. In other words, this is intended as a kick in the teeth for the Green Party who are traditionally both pro-immigration while anti lots of other things that the SVP are now claiming are connected.
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