20% more applicants for swiss passport

MrVertigo · #1 01.05.2011, 11:08

According to the swiss federal office for immigration there have been 2500 applications per month for the swiss passport during the last months. It's 20% more compared to same period last year.
One possible explanation is the 20 Nov. 2010 campaign and voting against "foreign criminals".

sandaleen · #2 01.05.2011, 11:13

hahaha, so now the criminals want to become locals before they get caught?

FrankS · #3 01.05.2011, 11:18

And another explanation is that many German that have been living here for decades apply for citizenship, because Germans can now have double citizenship (otherwise it would be stupid to give up a EU passport).

V__ · #4 01.05.2011, 11:25

	Quote:	FrankS
	And another explanation is that many German that have been living here for decades apply for citizenship, because Germans can now have double citizenship (otherwise it would be stupid to give up a EU passport).

I hear this a lot from people about how they wouldn't give up their EU passport. If you plan on living in Switzerland, and in general, isn't it better to have Swiss passport rather than an EU one? I have the possibility to get an EU one and never applied for it, but if it was the case for a swiss one I would think twice at least.

MrVertigo · #5 01.05.2011, 11:45

	Quote:	sandaleen
	hahaha, so now the criminals want to become locals before they get caught?

yes this is the first level of interpretation. The 2nd level is as we saw it in EF threads everyone sees more and more initiative targeting foreigners. For foreigners who have been living here for a long time, they see the passport as a way to secure their own and children's presence in Switzerland.

Assassin · #6 01.05.2011, 18:37

You could also try "the US Dollar is so cheap, let's all go to Disneyworld" argument; not normally a vital factor in demographics, but don't tell me that you don't know someone who hasn't just been, or is planning on going Stateside for a vacation this year to take advantage of the strong Swiss Franc.

Sky · #7 01.05.2011, 20:13

I'm not at all surprised that more people wish to become Swiss.
Take a look around you, we're living in a downright wonderful country where everything works, there's stability, a good economy, an educated quiet population and a stable well-balanced government. It's also breathtakingly beautiful.

Wollishofener · #8 06.05.2011, 01:54

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	According to the swiss federal office for immigration there have been 2500 applications per month for the swiss passport during the last months. It's 20% more compared to same period last year. One possible explanation is the 20 Nov. 2010 campaign and voting against "foreign criminals".

the real explanation is that it is some 20 years since the wars in collapsing Yugoslavia, and that the Secondos now are becoming adults and of course want to become citizens of what to them is home.

Of course, many family fathers, even if believing to have brought up the children well, may feel a bit insecure in so far as nobody can guarantee a father that his offspring does not go wrong. In contrast to the propaganda, the new law does not only apply to rapists and killers, but also to minor burglars etc.

Wollishofener · #9 06.05.2011, 01:58

	Quote:	sandaleen
	hahaha, so now the criminals want to become locals before they get caught?

nothing to be laughed about. Many fathers, who generally believe to have gone well, cannot be guaranteed that none of their children is involved in a burglary, in one way or the other. Reality is that a "Yugo" even if only involved will be regarded as "culprit" in the sense of the new law, which may ruin the life of the culprit and pull a family apart. This is why I voted AGAINST that law, even if it contained some quite justified elements.

Wollishofener · #10 06.05.2011, 02:02

	Quote:	V__
	I hear this a lot from people about how they wouldn't give up their EU passport. If you plan on living in Switzerland, and in general, isn't it better to have Swiss passport rather than an EU one? I have the possibility to get an EU one and never applied for it, but if it was the case for a swiss one I would think twice at least.

For endless times, not having an EU but a CH passport meant that you on foreign airports had to queue for half an hour or more behind people from "outside" while the EUers were getting ahead swiftly. Noteable exception in fact was France where you could follow the lead "UE + Suisse" . And anyway, double or triple citizenship is something regarded as normal in normal countries. The old German doctrine of only one citizenship clearly was a legacy of Nazism .

FrankS · #11 06.05.2011, 09:55

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	For endless times, not having an EU but a CH passport meant that you on foreign airports had to queue for half an hour or more behind people from "outside" while the EUers were getting ahead swiftly.

Plus: when immigrating to a EU country, the Swiss had the same status as someone from Burkina Faso, while there is free movement between EU countries. This is now different, but the old status is preferred by SVP.

naddyswiss · #12 06.05.2011, 10:44

one of above applicants is also me, i applied for a swiss passport and I get interviewed from the local policeman almost 2 months ago. Until now, I still haven't heard for the answer

And I am not EU citizenship before, I hold a Thai passport. Good luck, I don't need to leave one citizenship because my country allow to have more than 1 nationality. Like my children, they hold both Thai passport and Swiss passport as well....

nickatbasel · #13 06.05.2011, 14:14

I would gladly sell both kidneys just to help the Swiss!

Cheers,
Nick

	Quote:	Sky
	I'm not at all surprised that more people wish to become Swiss. Take a look around you, we're living in a downright wonderful country where everything works, there's stability, a good economy, an educated quiet population and a stable well-balanced government. It's also breathtakingly beautiful.

Seb70 · #14 06.05.2011, 14:18

I will be with the 20% soon.

What happens if I marry a Ukrainian woman and 10 years after living in Switzerland she commits a crime? Will she get deported even if I would have become Swiss citizen before she commits the crime?

Wollishofener · #15 06.05.2011, 22:45

	Quote:	Seb70
	I will be with the 20% soon. What happens if I marry a Ukrainian woman and 10 years after living in Switzerland she commits a crime? Will she get deported even if I would have become Swiss citizen before she commits the crime?

Your question in fact cannot be answered !

Because the law does NOT (in fact will not) refer to "a crime" but just those crimes specified in the initiative

IF she commits a burglary YES she will get deported
IF she commits a shop-lifting or a pocket-theft, NO

AmericanGotWorkVisa · #16 07.05.2011, 03:46

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	For endless times, not having an EU but a CH passport meant that you on foreign airports had to queue for half an hour or more behind people from "outside" while the EUers were getting ahead swiftly. Noteable exception in fact was France where you could follow the lead "UE + Suisse" . And anyway, double or triple citizenship is something regarded as normal in normal countries. The old German doctrine of only one citizenship clearly was a legacy of Nazism .

Nazism? That's a strong charge. The U.S. government allows duel citizenship but discourages it because of legal reasons, mainly tax issues. America is a country that taxes citizens wherever they live in the world. :-( I have to file tax on my income in Switzerland for example.

There are other reasons (other then eugenic nazi ones) that nations do not wish their citizens to have dual citizenship. I can imagine divided loyalties in a big one especially for some government jobs, military, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipl...le_citizenship

Sky · #17 07.05.2011, 10:12

	Quote:	nickatbasel
	I would gladly sell both kidneys just to help the Swiss! Cheers, Nick

Not saying you've got to agree, I just really do believe that it is a rather exceptional beautiful country and I can understand why so many people would like to become citizens.

It's a true democracy where the people decide. They get to vote and have their say in regards to a large majority of the decisions and laws that regulate the country.

phdoofus · #18 07.05.2011, 13:34

	Quote:	AmericanNeedsWorkVisa
	The U.S. government allows duel citizenship but discourages it because of legal reasons, mainly tax issues.

Could you please show how, in a public manner, the US government is discouraging dual citizenship? If they are, they're doing a spectacularly bad job of it. If they really wanted to discourage it, they wouldn't have given you the option. Not too long ago, you didn't.

AmericanGotWorkVisa · #19 07.05.2011, 16:33

	Quote:	phdoofus
	Could you please show how, in a public manner, the US government is discouraging dual citizenship? If they are, they're doing a spectacularly bad job of it. If they really wanted to discourage it, they wouldn't have given you the option. Not too long ago, you didn't.

Here is what the U.S. government says:

	Quote:
	A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance. However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1753.html

I'm not going to go into more detail than that you can look it up, but it seems that the U.S. frowns upon acquiring duel citizenship as an adult for various reasons and restricts that. There is no apparent restrictions on being born a dual citizen due to your parents.

KeinFranzösisch · #20 07.05.2011, 16:50

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	For endless times, not having an EU but a CH passport meant that you on foreign airports had to queue for half an hour or more behind people from "outside" while the EUers were getting ahead swiftly. Noteable exception in fact was France where you could follow the lead "UE + Suisse" . And anyway, double or triple citizenship is something regarded as normal in normal countries. The old German doctrine of only one citizenship clearly was a legacy of Nazism .

I recall traveling to the EU countries before Europe was forced to go the way of the US with traveler screenings and anti-terrorism dog and pony shows, and it "seemed" like the EU citizens were just blazing through the immigration queue (unless they were French, because the French just don't queue at all), without even getting their passports scanned. Meanwhile, the non-EU citizens did indeed stand in the immigration queue (because none of them were French) for what seemed like an eternity while one, maybe two, immigration officers performed all of the checks for the throngs of foreigners at the gates.