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Old 11.05.2011, 14:39
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

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This looks like a good point to return to the topic -- the SVP's posters and their attitude to foreigners in Switzerland.

Let's steer clear of Godwin.

any other EF thread which eventually leads to mentioning the SVP, IS the Swiss version of Godwin's Law.
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Old 11.05.2011, 20:56
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

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And it's also part of an anti SVP reflex that is so ingrained on the EF. No matter what poster they make, somebody is going to be offended. Quite often it's not the poster itself that offends as much as the SVP signature. I haven't seen the posters of the FDP or SP being analysed and scrutinised on this level yet ...

I am sure that if the roles were reversed, some more people here would actually find it funny.

So don't expect this to be the last thread along these lines.
Can't even recall any FDP or SP posters, so I would think they would be non descript, unless someone has some examples of some that might be considered controversial. Every political party everywhere issues controversial media. The SVP is known for their jingoistic (thks 22 for the big word) approach to Switzerland, and their anti EU stance, so it's only natural that expats here would take notice of heir posters. I find the poster sad and disturbing, and definitely not funny.
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I find the poster sad and disturbing, and definitely not funny.
Good job you don't have to look at it, then, seeing as you live a very long way away from Switzerland.
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And it's also part of an anti SVP reflex that is so ingrained on the EF. No matter what poster they make, somebody is going to be offended. Quite often it's not the poster itself that offends as much as the SVP signature. I haven't seen the posters of the FDP or SP being analysed and scrutinised on this level yet ...

So go start a thread about the FDP or SP posters then. Its a bit much to complain that people are discussing the issue that the thread is about.
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Old 11.05.2011, 21:09
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

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Good job you don't have to look at it, then, seeing as you live a very long way away from Switzerland.
A long way away? 1 1/2 hr flight is not long.
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Old 11.05.2011, 21:38
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You got to admit, they (SVP) do their job very well. Suddenly the discussion about politics is non-existant and the people only talk about the pictures instead of the underlying issues. Seems most people on here would fall for that too...

Sometimes I get the impression, Switzerland has just the government it deserves...
The Federal government consists of quite good persons at present

- the SP has, with Micheline Calmy-Rey and Simonetta Sommaruga two excellent ladies in the government

- the FDP (Liberals) with Mr Didier Burkhalter and Mr Schneider-Ammann has a good representation

- the CVP with Mrs Leuthard is represented exceedingly well

- Mrs Widmer-Schlump with her Edith Piaf looks and representing a tiny below 4% party is in a strange position, but is an efficient magistrate

- Mr Maurer, who represents the SVP, is a tricky and diplomatic politician, who knows the political business thoroughly

I however think that Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf will get ousted late this year in the re-elections to be replaced by a SVP man, as a 25%-PLUS party has a right to have (again) a second seat in the big coalition
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Suggesting that some genetics is better than others sounds a bit racist to me.

It would imply that it is possible to breed a master race. Somebody else tried that not too long ago. He ended up shooting himself in his bunker.
So not being racist is a form of racism. Wonderful

I'm just saying that being inbred has been proven not to be a good idea- and that indeed mongrels are usually much stronger and healthier than pure-breds - and in humans, not just physically. I'm not advocating mixed breeding, but I certainly am not afraid of it, as many Swiss and especially SVP/UDC supporters are. I can hardly be called a mongrel myself, as I am mostly Swiss, but partly of French Huguenot origin, British nationality having been acquired by marriage. My OH however is a proper mongrel, and our grand-children are a mix of 3 races and 9 different nationalities, and seem to fare very well. thank you.
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Old 11.05.2011, 22:11
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

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...our grand-children are a mix of 3 races and 9 different nationalities, and seem to fare very well.
Ah. But you see, Odile, they are your grandchildren, so you are biased and are always going to say they are faring well...
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Old 11.05.2011, 22:28
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So not being racist is a form of racism. Wonderful
To say that mixed race people are superior to others is being racist, because you are attributing superiority to race. I don't see what being not racist about it.

Unless maybe you're argument is, racism is bad and I'm good and therefore I'm not racist.
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Being mixed race is NOT a race, that is the whole point. but somehow I do not think we will agree. From time immemorial, clans from all over Europe traveleled huge distances to special fairs and celebrations to arrange 'marriage' and mixing of groups, to avoid in-breeding- not because they were racists, but because in-breeding is dangerous.
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Enough already! Please, back to the topic.
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

The English language makes this discussion impossible: on one side, there is the human race and on the other side, one speaks of mixed race. How can you be mixed human race? One needs at least two to make a mix. Human race is one, not two.
I am just following the English dictionnary, who can blame me for that
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

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Being mixed race is NOT a race
it is according to the census.
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Old 11.05.2011, 23:30
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I am just following the English dictionnary, who can blame me for that
That I can see ...
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

Quick question---since the bull is branded "UDC" rather than "SVC", that means this poster was targeted for the Swiss Romaine or Ticino. We've already seen the "dancing rats" campaign for Ticino, so is this for the Romaine? Thanks!
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

Back on topic:

In English one will use the term: "you've been shafted" without the "faux" shock being posted here.

Now, I'll agree that it may not be something that you would discuss with "Ladies present" as it were, but it is used in everyday parlance.*

Indeed I'd suggest that potentially more offensive language is used daily, when "Ladies are present", yet everyone is up in arms about this?

No one likes to be shafted, but it happens to many of us, on many occasions through our lives.* Political parties are not there to "get along" especially if votes are involved. Yet when someone (or a group) visualises this you get upset.

As I said, the SVP are very good at getting their point across. If the other parties could pull they fingers out, then maybe we wouldn't see the rise in their share of vote posted further up in the thread.

*EDIT II: And to prove my point, this thread below on the "Home" page of EF: Getting screwed by property management...help. Anyone going to start a thread complaining about the language used?
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The SVP is known for their jingoistic approach to Switzerland, and their anti EU stance
See, the UDC DOES have some positive points (anti EU).

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A long way away? 1 1/2 hr flight is not long.
It's a long way just to look at a poster.
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Re: Foreigners not the target of the latest SVP posters

Maybe they (SVP/UDC) should consider lightening-up their poster, a bit.

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When I looked at:


and then at:


I had a big laugh.
And that's all
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