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Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

Google doesn't want to comply to Switzerlands stricter laws, not only hiding peoples faces, but skin colour, clothes anything that makes them identifiable, but as far as I can tell, it only applies to Google? Anyway, google says they'll drop street view if they can't come to some arrangement.

I'm somewhat of a fan of Street View, I hope we get it here, it's amazingly useful and fascinating.

I do see why people could have a problem with it, but as far as I see it, it's information anyone could record anyway, and it's a single snapshot in time. Sure people have been shown picking up prostitutes, having a quick slash, being with somebody they shouldn't be, or generaly being drunk and stupid, but quite frankly anyone can already post such pictures to the web.

I can go out and take pictures of whoever I please and publish them wherever I want, would I have to ensure any pictures I take outside have no identifiable people in them? I think there's some provisions for when someone is the subject of the picture, a release is needed, but if I happen to capture someone entering the local bordello in the corner of the frame, I'm not aware of any legal ramifications.

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Old 12.05.2011, 13:16
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I can go out and take pictures of whoever I please and publish them wherever I want, would I have to ensure any pictures I take outside have no identifiable people in them? I think there's some provisions for when someone is the subject of the picture, a release is needed, but if I happen to capture someone entering the local bordello in the corner of the frame, I'm not aware of any legal ramifications.

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If the person who is seen entering the local bordello complains then you are liable I believe.
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About time. Produces some classy images like this one from Spain. Nice to see they blurred the number plate

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Old 12.05.2011, 13:18
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I guess that if you take some banal street pics and publish them then, usually, their publication is limited to your circle of friends.

I'd think that most people would take a look at the Streetview pictures from their locality. It's much more likely then that they will be able to identify their neighbour/teacher/butcher doing something that he'd rather not have the local gossips discussing. Even with their face obscured you could recognise somebody you know well from their clothes and stance. Look at some of the crappy pictures they put out on Crimewatch for people to identify.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:23
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Yeah...plenty.

As a starter I hate to see the car of my girl friends ex., outside our home.......beat it Buddy.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:30
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I guess that if you take some banal street pics and publish them then, usually, their publication is limited to your circle of friends.

I'd think that most people would take a look at the Streetview pictures from their locality. It's much more likely then that they will be able to identify their neighbour/teacher/butcher doing something that he'd rather not have the local gossips discussing. Even with their face obscured you could recognise somebody you know well from their clothes and stance. Look at some of the crappy pictures they put out on Crimewatch for people to identify.
Maybe people just aren't aware they could use a site like flickr to browse their locality, maybe many users simply aren't aware that their banal street pics, although only meant to be shared with friends, can still be searched by anyone.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:33
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Re: Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

Google are approaching this all wrong.
They should make announcements in the local press when they're coming to an area, and run a competition, along the lines of which single person can get included in the most pics. in the most number of different locations.

Similar to the old style school photo, taken with the entire school amassed in tiers in the school yard, using a revolving panoramic camera - normally the "lads" would be at the start end, and soon as the camera had moved past them, they would run around the back, out of sight, and position themselves on the other end for the soon approaching camera - thus appearing twice;

.... or, when on holiday I would always see the same people, where ever I went - always happily snapping away with their instamatic (pre-digital). Me and my mates made it our mission to try and appear in the background of as many of their photos as possible, without them realising, so after they'd returned home and had their snaps developed, they would have a permanent reminder of us.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:38
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If the person who is seen entering the local bordello complains then you are liable I believe.
Not that I regularly take pictures of bordellos, but interested to know how exactly I would be liable.

In fact, Anyone know what the rules are on taking pictures in public and what one can do with them?
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:41
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Yeah...plenty.

As a starter I hate to see the car of my girl friends ex., outside our home.......beat it Buddy.
Yes and smudging out the number plate is useless. His Ferrari is so distinctive...
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Re: Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

I don't see any problem. The chances of being recognised are pretty remote.

What would the Swiss make of this from Streetview near me? Hastings
the camera is high enough to see over the school wall into the playground.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:57
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Yes and smudging out the number plate is useless. His Ferrari is so distinctive...
It's a small and totally useless Mercedes.....so gayish.
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Old 12.05.2011, 13:59
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I don't see any problem. The chances of being recognised are pretty remote.

What would the Swiss make of this from Streetview near me? Hastings
the camera is high enough to see over the school wall into the playground.
What are all those kids doing wearing our flag?
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Re: Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

If they manage to enforce this and Google withdraw the service, the follow on will be all publicly accessible CCTVs will have to be blocked, not to mention that this would also bring into question the legality of using CCTV footage as legal evidence. Does it suddenly become inadmissible because your privacy was invaded by videoing you? All Webcams in all the passes, towns and ski areas etc will have to be turned off, they will have to rewrite all the Photo journalism rules that apply to any proffessional photographer taking a pic in CH, etc etc etc ...

The knock on effect clearly hasnt been considered in any way by the twits that are campaigning against this.

So you were photographed walking down the street, big deal, Chances are someone who knows you walked past you on the same day and saw you walking, so did they invade your privacy because they saw you???
People post far more privacy invading pics on facebook and MySpace without your permission than what Streetview publishes, are you gonna ask Facebook to be banned as well?

All this so called privacy crap and hooha from citizens of a country who quite happily accept that its ok to allow public access the STVA database of license plates and retrieve the address details of License plate holders.

Privacy is a facade in this digital day and age, and especially in CH. The swiss authorities go to extraordinary lengths to know everything they possibly can about you, and they dont try to hide it from you either, yet some twat wants to get upset because he was pictured on a Streetview pic!?!

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Re: Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

I'm neutral on this, but why do we need streetview anyway? Does it help in any way? If I'm thinking of moving somewhere I will go and take a look as streetview doesn't give me smells, sounds, vibes etc.

The only time I used it was to look for a place that I remembered from my youth and wanted to see what it really looked like these days, but I can easily live without it.
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I'm neutral on this, but why do we need streetview anyway? Does it help in any way? If I'm thinking of moving somewhere I will go and take a look as streetview doesn't give me smells, sounds, vibes etc.
But it can help quickly rule out a slum

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I use it to check out the location of more obscure shops, addresses I'll be visiting where street names might be missed, you can pick out landmarks easily.

Also the checking out of old haunts. And virtual tourism.
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why do we need streetview anyway?
I use it when I'm visiting somewhere new. It's easier to know what you're looking for instead of crawling along looking at house numbers.
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I'm neutral on this, but why do we need streetview anyway? Does it help in any way?
It's another step in the evolution of cartography. And a great many of those steps have proved to be very useful. & anyway, people have been whinging about what is/is not on maps for centuries.
I'm sure there were vocal opponents to the first SwissTopo or Ordnance Survey maps about inclusion of dwellings etc....
"it's an invasion of privacy, I tells yer! - now every bugger fromt' round parish can see that it's my farm next to that new fangled public footpath. Outragous!"
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But it can help quickly rule out a slum



I use it to check out the location of more obscure shops, addresses I'll be visiting where street names might be missed, you can pick out landmarks easily.

Also the checking out of old haunts. And virtual tourism.
Virtual voyeurism more like
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Re: Google to Switzerland, ease up street view privacy or lose it.

Google should just say, publically: "Why sure Switzerland! Just as soon as you make an effort to protect private information as well. Like not being able to look up who you are and where you live from your license plate number". Seriously, what's more invasive? This, or some blurry pic of you in some random part of town? How many better pictures of yourself do you think show up in somene else's vacation pictures?
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