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Old 14.05.2011, 13:28
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

They should just legalize the stuff and be done with this puritanical nonsense.

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Old 14.05.2011, 13:30
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

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Choice is a funny thing though - he ran out of money and made the "rational" choice to risk his life, not for millions and greed, but for $7000. It doesn't seem that he was in a position to make a rational choice. Various governments have set up arbitrary and unfair rules - these are at fault.
Choices have consequences; news at 11.

Regardless of rationality, the choice was made, the risks were known, and he paid the price.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:33
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They should just legalize the stuff and be done with this puritanical nonsense.

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Legalise cocaine ? I do not see this happening, at least in South East Asia.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:36
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

Well at least this forum has spared the Thai authorities the expense and inconvenience of a trial.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:36
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Choices have consequences; news at 11.

Regardless of rationality, the choice was made, the risks were known, and he paid the price.
I don't know the purpose of this post. You've just written an equation. Is anyone denying that choices have consequences or that flour+yeast+water=bread?

My point was that sometimes laws are unfair (and consequently not upheld) and sometimes (yes, even when both parties read and understand them) contracts are unfair (and consequently not upheld). Putting a guy to death for this is, in my opinion, unfair. This is largely because a Swiss guy exchanging $7000 for a good chance of dying, cannot be said to have made a rational decision. And isn't his rationality the whole point? "Regardless of rationality" makes no sense at all as rationality is the test of choice.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:37
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Legalise cocaine ? I do not see this happening, at least in South East Asia.
Nor graffiti, chewing gum or nose picking.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:43
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Nor graffiti, chewing gum or nose picking.
Slightly off topic, but what about butt scratching and looking at women's cleavage? (A friend wanted to know...)
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:46
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Putting a guy to death for this is, in my opinion, unfair. This is largely because a Swiss guy exchanging $7000 for a good chance of dying, cannot be said to have made a rational decision. And isn't his rationality the whole point? "Regardless of rationality" makes no sense at all as rationality is the test of choice.
- I am against death penalty. So sentence should be life or min 20 years prison.

- Rationality: all crimes are irrational decisions.
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- Rationality: all crimes are irrational decisions.
This statement could sporn a whole thread on it's own. I mean, if a poor person steals food because they need to eat and there is no alternative, then I think that's rational.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:53
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Slightly off topic, but what about butt scratching and looking at women's cleavage? (A friend wanted to know...)
What if a woman looks at another woman's cleavage?
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:56
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

Portugal decriminalized the use of all hard drugs, and despite the dire predictions of drug tourism and increased abuse, 5 years later hard drug use has decreased, more people are in treatment who previously were dependent, and the freeing up of resources (no longer going after and prosecuting petty possession cases) has made for a vast decrease in trafficking.

But some countries take a hard line approach, and to march around with 4kg in a place known for a no-holds-barred approach is just stupid. What I don't like is in these hard line countries, where someone has a microscopic remnant of an old joint or something in their coat pocket and get the book thrown at them.
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Old 14.05.2011, 13:58
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I'm with these two. Coke doesn't really destroy lives. Well it can of course, but usually doesn't and is actually a much "weaker" drug than alcohol, normally consumed quantity against normally consumed quantity. I don't think he deserves any punishment at all...



Not with 4kgs though, that's a lot for a diversion.
Actually cocaine is one of the most addictive. People do not take cocaine and become successful. The other way around. People become successful and then fall into addictions for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is to help them deal with the stress of success. And it does ruin lives as it becomes more important than personal relationships. People loose jobs and families as a result of addictions. How long it takes varies from person to person.

As with all addictions one has to ask why they need to have the drug or alcohol in the first place.

if it is one line and only one line it will probably not ruin a life but it is a problem if a person needs to take one line regularly be it per hour, per day or per week.
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Old 14.05.2011, 14:05
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This statement could sporn a whole thread on it's own. I mean, if a poor person steals food because they need to eat and there is no alternative, then I think that's rational.
yes quite complex topic. So the important for me is to know if the person has the capacity to distinguish the good from the bad. This leads to the notion of responsibility. The rational decision has to do with the fact that the acts of the person are coherent with the sought objective and interest of the person.
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What if a woman looks at another woman's cleavage?
In my books, that's just a beautiful thing. One of life's happy moments.
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

We are mixing 2 separate issues here- well 3 if we count that cleavage!
De-criminalising or legalising cocaine or other drugs is a totally different subject, and should be kept separate.

In this case, this guy knew the consequences perfectly well, and he chose to take the risk. As said before he could have chosen another way to get out of the financial pickle he was in.
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Old 14.05.2011, 15:35
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De-criminalising or legalising cocaine or other drugs is a totally different subject, and should be kept separate.

In this case, this guy knew the consequences perfectly well, and he chose to take the risk. As said before he could have chosen another way to get out of the financial pickle he was in.
Personally I'd rather take the kind of risk he did than sell my bottom because I can't think of anything else which would get me out of a dire financial pickle, as you put it..
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Old 14.05.2011, 15:46
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Would do neither - there is always another way, somehow, somewhere.
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Old 14.05.2011, 16:08
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Well at least this forum has spared the Thai authorities the expense and inconvenience of a trial.
Well, the trial will be a pretty easy one: He was caught with 4 kilos in his hand. He spared everyone the bullshit of "somebody must have put THAT in my bag" and readily admitted that he got into financial troubles (he lived happily on Swiss social insurances in Phuket and the government decided to cut his payments). He also admitted that he did plan the entire thing on his own... I guess that's the thing: He is not a courier for a big an powerful drug cartell, but a rather simple minded guy who thought "how hard can it be"...

I like him for not making the rubbish stunts this Swiss cannabis farmer makes all the time (the one who went on hunger strike because he did not see anything wrong to have sold several Millions worth of drugs). He was stupid and deserves a severe punishment. The death penalty is obviously wrong.

P.S: I really don't see him destroying the lives of "youngsters"... how many youngsters do you know that can afford beach vacations in Phuket and consume cocaine? I'd say he planned to sell the stuff to rather old European men who needed a line to feel strong enough for the night with their "girlfriends". A promising market segment actually.
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Old 14.05.2011, 16:14
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

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I really don't see him destroying the lives of "youngsters"... how many youngsters do you know that can afford beach vacations in Phuket and consume cocaine? I'd say he planned to sell the stuff to rather old European men who needed a line to feel strong enough for the night with their "girlfriends". A promising market segment actually.
Well, I hope people don't give up with the couriering; it sounds like a great retirement.
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Old 14.05.2011, 16:23
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Well, I hope people don't give up with the couriering; it sounds like a great retirement.
We need a poll: How do you want to retire?

a) with a loving family

b) hookers and coke till I die by heart attack


I think we should legalize drugs exclusively for wealthy senior citizens and tax the drugs like cigarettes. They have fun, society benefits and even for the heirs is it a great case: They lose some money spent on drugs but therefore inherit much earlier.
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