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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

Why do these people do this when they know the penalty is the ultimate one. I am firmly against the death penalty for any crime but now because of this person's stupidity the Swiss govt. EU, Amnesty etc are going to have to waste valuable resourses trying to make sure that the penatly isn't carried out. Will these people ever learn?
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Anybody read The Damage Done, the story of an aussie who spent 12 years in a thai jail..harrowing. If there is a hell on earth, it would be the prison that this guy will serve whatever his sentence is in.The moral of the story is JUST DONT DO IT, (well not in Thailand/SE Asia anyway).
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

Another guy was caught a few weeks ago dealing, with a few grammes on him. No sentence yet.
http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ne-dealer.html

More news on the original story below (scroll down about half way to the news update)
http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...port-four.html

Both the above appear to blame a random "black American" for setting them up. That narrows it down, I'm sure.
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Anybody read The Damage Done, the story of an aussie who spent 12 years in a thai jail..harrowing. If there is a hell on earth, it would be the prison that this guy will serve whatever his sentence is in.The moral of the story is JUST DONT DO IT, (well not in Thailand/SE Asia anyway).
I haven't read the book but I've read similar accounts. Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, China... some of the last places on earth I'd want to be incarcerated even for a day, let alone a lifetime.
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I haven't read the book but I've read similar accounts. Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, China... some of the last places on earth I'd want to be incarcerated even for a day, let alone a lifetime.
Let alone Guantanamo.
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Old 14.05.2011, 18:03
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They should just legalize the stuff and be done with this puritanical nonsense. Tom
Legalize what? Usage? Trafficking? Both? Irrespective of quantities?

In the case of hard drugs I say help the addicts who want help and target the traffickers and dealers.

Decriminalization la Portugal (which is not legalization) is aimed at getting the addict off the substances by removing the risk of a criminal penalty if he seeks help. It's also designed to make the user more willing to come forward and finger the pushers. Seems an intelligent approach to me.

However, Ddecriminalizing usage by people who are addicted is one thing. But has any country, anywhere, decriminalized drug dealers and traffickers?
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Well, the trial will be a pretty easy one: He was caught with 4 kilos in his hand. He spared everyone the bullshit of "somebody must have put THAT in my bag" and readily admitted that he got into financial troubles (he lived happily on Swiss social insurances in Phuket and the government decided to cut his payments).
Then based on past precedent, by pleading guilty, he'll probably get a long prison sentence.
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Well, the trial will be a pretty easy one: He was caught with 4 kilos in his hand. He spared everyone the bullshit of "somebody must have put THAT in my bag" and readily admitted that he got into financial troubles (he lived happily on Swiss social insurances in Phuket and the government decided to cut his payments). He also admitted that he did plan the entire thing on his own... I guess that's the thing: He is not a courier for a big an powerful drug cartell, but a rather simple minded guy who thought "how hard can it be"...

I like him for not making the rubbish stunts this Swiss cannabis farmer makes all the time (the one who went on hunger strike because he did not see anything wrong to have sold several Millions worth of drugs). He was stupid and deserves a severe punishment. The death penalty is obviously wrong.

P.S: I really don't see him destroying the lives of "youngsters"... how many youngsters do you know that can afford beach vacations in Phuket and consume cocaine? I'd say he planned to sell the stuff to rather old European men who needed a line to feel strong enough for the night with their "girlfriends". A promising market segment actually.
I can only go on what I've read, but I've not read that he was carrying the stuff "in his hand". I also hadn't read that he "planned it all on his own". The report I read had him linked to other people, and also possibly the woman who was arrested the next day. In other words, the full facts are not yet known.

There is every chance he had full knowledge of the shipment, but I just get nervous of the mob mentality, especially when the info is based on tabloid journalism and a stack of conflicting 'information', much of it slightly odd.

And what if the guy turns out to be mentally ill? Or protecting someone else? Or a police informant? Or any number of possibilities?

There is patently stuff we don't know here, and all I was hinting in my original comment was that we shouldn't prejudge everything about this guy down to the level of detail that we see in this thread.
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Let alone Guantanamo.
I would think the conditions at Guantanamo are far more luxurious than your average S/E Asian jail, there is a great deal of scrutiny from the rest of the world of that place that america couldn't be seen to be operating anything as depraved as the Bangkok hilton. It would appears that the emphasis on jails in Thailand,Indonesia etc is on punishment, rather than any kind of rehabilitation. I would even say that the conditions are inhumane, and the punishment sometimes doesn't really fit the crime. And judging by the fact that these jails are bursting at the seems, they don't seem to be really working as a deterrent.I once worked with a guy that had done 5 years in an Indonesian jail for possession of a joint, and even years after he came back he was still screwed up royally.
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Legalise cocaine ? I do not see this happening, at least in South East Asia.

Unfortunately correct. But it should BE legalized in modern countries of this world. It would lead to a sharp drop of the prices for the stuff and so, many addicts no longer would depend on burglaries.
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Why do these people do this when they know the penalty is the ultimate one. I am firmly against the death penalty for any crime but now because of this person's stupidity the Swiss govt. EU, Amnesty etc are going to have to waste valuable resourses trying to make sure that the penatly isn't carried out. Will these people ever learn?
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Unfortunately correct. But it should BE legalized in modern countries of this world. It would lead to a sharp drop of the prices for the stuff and so, many addicts no longer would depend on burglaries.
Sweden HAD some of the most liberal drug laws for quite a while, but have now returned to criminalisation and enforcement in the face of rising crime and social problems directly and indirectly associated with drug use.

Both liberal and strict laws don't work..education is probably our best bet in the long run. But there will always be a demand, especially those with artistic endeavours.
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My thought on legalization is that forcing the cartels to compete with Philip Morris will probably shut them down a lot faster than forcing them to outsmart law enforcement. At least Philip Morris distributes drugs with a lot less of the community-destroying side effects.

Either that, or let the cartels deal with our banks. Those are pretty effective at ruining operations as well.

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Personally I'd rather take the kind of risk he did than sell my bottom because I can't think of anything else which would get me out of a dire financial pickle, as you put it..
His bottom may not get him any money where he is going, might have been better to sell it on the outside than have it taken on the inside as it were
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Oh dear. Sometimes the death penalty sounds like the much better option
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One line of cocaine does NOT ruin your life - but it so often leads to another, and another - and an addiction which is very difficult to get rid off. I've witnessed this at very close quarters- and you are right, the regular users of cocaine ARE successful in the City, in top jobs all over. I know many who are barristers, Judges even. Seeing them still at it in their late 40s- every week-end, and for some most nights + a bottle or two- in the presence of their kids- I can assure you it ain't pretty. Successful? It depends what you mean by success- we obviously do not have the same measure of it. They will tell you, day in day out that they are NOT addicted, that they can STOP ANYTIME - but watching them, you know that they are lying, to themselves mainly, and to their children of course.
This typifies the view of the anti drugs lobby, from the dinner table to e politician and makes sweeping and utterly unscientific assumptions normally including an 'eye witness account' of someone starting with smoking a joint and ending up dying a wretched heroin addicted mess.

The key point that is always used Is to sweep all drugs together under the banner 'drugs' when they are vastly different. Had our Swiss friend been found with 4kg of heroin I would have joined the queue of people lining up to have him shot, because heroin wrecks lives, from the moment it is taken.

Cocaine, generally speaking does not. Taken by thousands of people from hated bankers to pillars of society, there will always be a few who head off down a slippery slope as is the case with anyone with addictive personalities. For the majority it will simply be an alternative to getting smashed on Alcopops then falling into bed with a complete random stranger, which of course is the more 'respectable' way to spend your night out.

I have known many people who chosee substance over liquid for their social enhancer and they have grown up to be model citizens with wonderful offspring. Balanced against the 'but bob down the road went mental after one line' it shows me at least that statistics show cocaine is no more harmful than alcohol and should be treated as such.
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

taking my views on decriminalizing drugs and drug usage out of it for a second- the idea is that this man fell on hards time because his social payments or whatever he had from c.h were cut? if he had residency in thailand- which it appears he did, i'm sure he could've looked for a job and if nothing more he would have lived the life just as his neighbors (thai) do. maybe that would mean he didn't enjoy the luxuries that he was used to or wanted. honestly tough luck for him but people there work for the basics there. sometimes people have it so easy for so long that when a problem comes up they want the easiest and fastest way to make money- that comes at a cost, it shouldn't be death and jailtime in thailand doesn't sound like a picnic (actually it sounds like a *movie*) but there are reasons most people don't take these risks.

yea, i agree it's no good to judge but i've seen these kinds of things first hand in the motherland and it does actually ruin communities in the not so long run. there are plenty of young people who can afford to live in these little beach front communities partying and when the money runs out the drugs brought in change to accomodate the clientele. i tend to be pretty to each his own about drug use,but this hits home a bit- especially after my last visit seeing a town that was once a gorgeous surfer paradise now rampant with burgleries and hard drug use, sex tourism, etc.
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

But if he had been caught with 4kg of tobacco , with it's nicotine being just as additive as coke or H. , then that would have been ok.
Drugs are an uncertainty, what may be addictive for you may not be for another. So, to say that coke doesn't ruin lives is misleading. Sometimes it can and sometimes it can't. It may not affect a particular user's life but there is usually some violence (murder included) behind getting the product to the user. If it were to be made legal, there would still be crime, as people would still want to get it as cheap as possible.
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