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My thought on legalization is that forcing the cartels to compete with Philip Morris will probably shut them down a lot faster than forcing them to outsmart law enforcement. At least Philip Morris distributes drugs with a lot less of the community-destroying side effects.

Either that, or let the cartels deal with our banks. Those are pretty effective at ruining operations as well.

America: where somehow our businesses are our most powerful weapon.
Less community-destoying effects.??
Lung cancer, cigarette butts ruining the environment, second hand smoke. higher medical costs for smokers and society, etc. Seems pretty community destroying to me.
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Old 15.05.2011, 01:03
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Old 15.05.2011, 02:20
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Sweet, now you can add hypocrite to your sig line too!

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Old 15.05.2011, 12:33
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I can only go on what I've read, but I've not read that he was carrying the stuff "in his hand". I also hadn't read that he "planned it all on his own". The report I read had him linked to other people, and also possibly the woman who was arrested the next day. In other words, the full facts are not yet known.
I apparently read different articles than you do. 20 minutes quoted him saying "I nearly dropped the bag twice on my journey, I wish I had that chance again".
http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_q...n-Tod-23696420

That's why I wrote "in his hands".
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Sweden HAD some of the most liberal drug laws for quite a while, but have now returned to criminalisation and enforcement in the face of rising crime and social problems directly and indirectly associated with drug use.

Both liberal and strict laws don't work..education is probably our best bet in the long run. But there will always be a demand, especially those with artistic endeavours.
Sweden is fairly centralist. What does this have to do with the topic ? A lot in fact as if Switzerland was as centralist as Sweden, most of the tolerance would be gone. What is either legal or at least accepted in the Cantons of Zürich, Schaffhausen, Basel (BL/BS), Vaud and Geneva, is of course absolutely prohibited in Cantons like Uri, Schwyz, Unterwalden, Appenzell-Innerrhoden, and Freiburg/Fribourg.

So that you in Switzerland have vast differences in regard to how the drug problem is handled, in spite of common federal laws.
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

A far better option for CHF7000 ( or more - a Malaysian passport for example fetches more than CHF20K in Nana district ) is to sell off your documents rather than risking the death penalty. Having lived there for years, he'd surely know about this. He could also peddle locally in Ya Ba ( stupid drugs ) instead which is sold in almost every fuel kiosk ( smaller profits but steady income ).

Most if not all airlines flying to SE Asia give clear warnings ahead ( airports there also have clear notices ) to the effect that death is the penalty for drug trafficking. It is hard to plead ignorance - ignorantia legis neminem excusat

Link to police department's official version in Thai is here ( or crude translation to EN )
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Sweet, now you can add hypocrite to your sig line too!
Yes, done.
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They should just legalize the stuff and be done with this puritanical nonsense.

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Have you seen the damage done to someone who has a cocaine habit?
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Have you seen the damage done to someone who has a cocaine habit?
No, actually, never seen any damage.

Heroin, alcohol, sure.

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Have you seen the damage done to someone who has a cocaine habit?
Tip of the iceberg... try the farming of cocoa, production, transport... there lies the real tragedy...
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Old 17.05.2011, 17:18
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No, actually, never seen any damage.

Heroin, alcohol, sure.

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Old 17.05.2011, 17:21
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Re: Swiss nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine

I still fail to see why mentioning his nationality matters in that case?

Why not: "Man nabbed at Phuket with 4kg cocaine"?

Does it matters that he is Swiss?
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OH! there he was a foreigner in Thailand!! bloody foreigners always guilty!
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Have you seen the damage food does to you ? this person weighs 70 stone! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...viest-man.html.

With the damage food is doing to this person, why on earth is food legal in the world ?
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Have you seen the damage food does to you ? this person weighs 70 stone! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...viest-man.html.

With the damage food is doing to this person, why on earth is food legal in the world ?
I don't see the comparison - as food must be eaten and snorting anything is pretty much optional, I eat food every day and am well within my BMI, if I snorted every day how long would I be healthy?
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I don't see the comparison - as food must be eaten and snorting anything is pretty much optional, I eat food every day and am well within my BMI, if I snorted every day how long would I be healthy?
The comparison is that in your previous analogy (a once beautiful nose..) this is someone who has grossly over indulged in cocaine which has destroyed her nose. I am demonstrating that by taking far more of any substance, even as harmless as food, you will destroy yourself.

if you snort cocaine every day I am sure you will eventually hurt yourself, however if you have the odd occasional recreational line, I doubt you would. The point being that cocaine, (or a raft of other 'deadly' drugs) actually dont do that much harm if taken in moderation - the best example being MDMA which is taken by god knows how many young people at weekends all of whom remain solidly 'normal' I'm afraid.
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The comparison is that in your previous analogy (a once beautiful nose..) this is someone who has grossly over indulged in cocaine which has destroyed her nose. I am demonstrating that by taking far more of any substance, even as harmless as food, you will destroy yourself.

if you snort cocaine every day I am sure you will eventually hurt yourself, however if you have the odd occasional recreational line, I doubt you would. The point being that cocaine, (or a raft of other 'deadly' drugs) actually dont do that much harm if taken in moderation - the best example being MDMA which is taken by god knows how many young people at weekends all of whom remain solidly 'normal' I'm afraid.
I am not moralising - do as you please, but when I hear people profess that certain things don't damage the body or mind I sometimes have to disagree. Having studied pharmacology for a number of years I feel qualified to do so. I maintain - food is essential snorting is optional and all amounts are unhealthy, the more you do the worse it is but it is optional and not doing you any good at all.

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I am not moralising - do as you please, but when I hear people profess that certain things don't damage the body or mind I sometimes have to disagree. Having studied pharmacology for a number of years I feel qualified to do so. I maintain - food is essential snorting is optional and all amounts are unhealthy, the more you do the worse it is but it is optional and not doing you any good at all.

Just facts - no emotion no morals!
Fair enough. As an additional fact food can also be a killer as well as being essential. And in the most part taking some currently illegal drugs occaisonally does you no more 'damage' than excessive drinking, smoking, eating loads of cakes and many other things we do as humans which the body can handle.

I am not saying taking drugs is healthy that is abusrd, but I do not think the example of someone with a destroyed nose is a fair portrayal of your average cocaine user.
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For sure you're right. It's highly addictive. But: there's a lot worse out there and there is no argument that this drug mule induced that barrister to do coke. None. He's a victim of the drugs trade and the USA's weird "war on drugs". Putting him to death is just sick.
Um, how does this story have anything to do with the USA?
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No, actually, never seen any damage.

Heroin, alcohol, sure.

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Yep, this is what they all say, but it is a load of b*****x- it ruins lives and families, I can assure you, from personal experience (no, not me, but many very close).
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