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Old 19.05.2011, 20:39
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Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

on wearing the burka in public.

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The group delivered the signatures to cantonal authorities in Bellinzona on Thursday, saying it had collected well over 10,000. Civil servants will formally inspect and count the signatures next week.
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Earlier news in DE here speaks about the Ghiringhelli

Personally, I have yet to see anyone on the streets with a Burka on in some 30 visits to that Canton over the last 12 months.
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Old 19.05.2011, 20:55
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Re: Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

One point made in the news this evening was, roughly translated, that it would be easier to introduce a ruling while no-one is wearing a burka than to say that women who have been wearing one in public for some time, must now remove theirs face-covering.
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Old 19.05.2011, 21:01
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Re: Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

Another pointless initiative just to draw the focus from the real issues...
They say that they are concerned about the women wearing burkas, what a bunch of hypocrites, they don't give a rats ass about these women, this will achieve nothing, and a person with more than a half a brain will realize this.
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:13
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Re: Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

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Another pointless initiative just to draw the focus from the real issues...
They say that they are concerned about the women wearing burkas, what a bunch of hypocrites, they don't give a rats ass about these women, this will achieve nothing, and a person with more than a half a brain will realize this.
Ah, there's nothing like a real well-balance argument, is there?

And that was nothing like a real well-balanced argument. And the real issues are??
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Old 19.05.2011, 23:24
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Personally, I have yet to see anyone on the streets with a Burka on in some 30 visits to that Canton over the last 12 months.
I have. On many occasions. Several times a month, in fact.

I think they are all tourists, though.

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Old 19.05.2011, 23:28
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on wearing the burka in public.

Swissinfo

Earlier news in DE here speaks about the Ghiringhelli

Personally, I have yet to see anyone on the streets with a Burka on in some 30 visits to that Canton over the last 12 months.
"The initiative is directed at burka- and niqab-wearers in particular, but would also ban face coverings worn by hooligans and demonstrators."

Well, including the "hooligans and demonstrators" will tip the balance for sure, in fact I'm inclined to vote for it myself in this case.

However, what will they do about carnevale?

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Old 20.05.2011, 00:05
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Re: Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

They seem incapable or unwilling to deal with their unemployment issues, so why not?
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Old 20.05.2011, 09:39
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and a person with more than a half a brain will realize this.
Thats it, take a few swings with insults at people with differing opinions to yours. Welcome to democracy. If only more countries that preached it, actually practised it, it may truly be a different world.
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Welcome to democracy. If only more countries that preached it, actually practised it, it may truly be a different world.
It would be a much, much more horrible world than it already is.
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It would be a much, much more horrible world than it already is.
I probably should have put more focus on 'preached' and 'practiced' instead of 'world', i.e. I tried to focus on hypocrisy, as those who tell others to adopt it are not necessarily democratic themselves, rather than something that should be global.

It doesn't suit everyone and many places are better off without it and it certainly SHOULD NOT be forced on anyone. However this is CH, I chose to live here cause i like it, and when in rome (or tessin)..............
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Old 20.05.2011, 10:36
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Because some women are FORCED to wear the Burka, the Swiss want to FORCE women who choose to wear it, not to. Hurray
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Old 20.05.2011, 10:52
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Ah, there's nothing like a real well-balance argument, is there?

And that was nothing like a real well-balanced argument. And the real issues are??
real issues in respect to women?
- well I would for instance introduce block schedule in the schools (incl. lunch) so women in Switzerland could have a reasonable chance to work and have a family, AND this would also lead to less foreigners! but e.g. SVP don't want women to work and don't want foreigners, BUT still want growth...trully a trick situation for the little buggers...

- remove the common tax law, i.e. today couples are punished tax-wise for both working and being married...

- The prostitution debate, either you legalize it or you ban it, make a stand ffs!

Also in respect to burkas, a ban would lead to that these women would be more isolated as for today...
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Old 20.05.2011, 10:55
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Thats it, take a few swings with insults at people with differing opinions to yours. Welcome to democracy. If only more countries that preached it, actually practised it, it may truly be a different world.
What can I say, I have adapted to the Swiss mentality

I am NOT pro burkas, but I don't believe a ban is a way to solve it...banning in general are just "quick and dirty" solutions for populist trying to get votes...not really that hard to realize...is it?
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Old 20.05.2011, 10:58
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- The prostitution debate, either you legalize it or you ban it, make a stand ffs!
It IS legal.

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Another pointless initiative just to draw the focus from the real issues...
They say that they are concerned about the women wearing burkas, what a bunch of hypocrites, they don't give a rats ass about these women, this will achieve nothing, and a person with more than a half a brain will realize this.
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Ah, there's nothing like a real well-balance argument, is there?

And that was nothing like a real well-balanced argument. And the real issues are??
You're just petty-fogging his valid comment
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It IS legal.

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And worse, in Switzerland it is legal from the age of .... 16
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Old 20.05.2011, 11:13
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Re: Tessin might get to soon vote on a ban

@ jrspet - as a Mod I would have thought that a clearer title would be used...

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...would quickly get the righteously-indignant-frothing-at-the-mouth members of EF in full attendance on this thread.

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Old 20.05.2011, 11:21
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Unfortunately Odile, there is no easy solution to deal with this problem. It would be wonderful to think that nowadays women have the choice of wearing it or not wearing it, and if this law comes out, that choice will be gone.

Reality, though, is that a high percentage of the women that wear the burka and similar dressing (can't give you a percentage because due to the closed problem origin, there isn't a reliable one) are forced by the same belief population (whether it’s a father, a husband or a mother it doesn’t matter), meaning they don't have the choice right now.

It is a very delicate situation, and I would love to see that every single woman in this world has the right of CHOICE - dressing code, faith, sex expectations, whether they are circumcised or not. That reality will never exist. And if some women must suffer with the prohibition of the burka, so that a bigger percentage of women are able to exercise their will of not wearing it, I agree with it.

Yes, I am an apologist of sacrificing yourself for the larger good. My contribution though, has to stick with me not wearing too short shorts so women and men alike might be spared the horrible sight.

I was also in favour of the very polemical movement in Bavaria to remove the crucifixes from the school classes (even though I am a Catholic), and do whatever I can to help women out there that suffer great suppression, prosecution, and retrograde thinking. I started with my own family: when I looked around my supposedly “modern thinking” family, I noticed the philosophy was there just disguised as something else.

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And worse, in Switzerland it is legal from the age of .... 16
That is something that really creeps me out... I'm not against it being legal, but 16 is WAY WAY WAY too young. I'll never forget the interview with a 16 year old girl that was prostituting herself to be able to buy a freaking Louis Vuitton bag. Everytime I see a sweet little 16 with a LV I go berserk and feel like distribuiting slaps.

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Old 20.05.2011, 13:11
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It IS legal.

Tom
Sorry I wrongly assumed that it was illegal to take women from all over the world and put them on the streets of Zürich...I assume then that they have social insurance, medical care etc.

So in their work permits it says : Prostitute
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Old 20.05.2011, 13:44
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Sorry I wrongly assumed that it was illegal to take women from all over the world and put them on the streets of Zürich...I assume then that they have social insurance, medical care etc.

So in their work permits it says : Prostitute
From this:

"Prostitution is legal in Switzerland and there are full pages of advertisements for “massages” in Swiss tabloids. Pimping, however, is illegal and uncommon. Most of the prostitutes operate independently from small studios with their cellular phones. Swiss prostitutes pay VAT (Value Added Tax) on their services and some take credit cards. If they have a problem with a client, they will call the police to help them out. But this is as Swiss as they get. The majority of them are foreigners from Latin America, France, Eastern Europe or the Far East. Price charged include all Swiss taxes."

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