Yeah, because those are "real" numbers I bet that banking will have been outsourced from Switzerland by then...!

It's the market that regulates the whole thing, you can't stop growth, impossible...Switzerland acted way too slow in the past...and now they have to deal with it...so...selber schuld!!!

It's time for the housewives to go to work...

probably not, but it's an indication/trend...the IT sector claims that they have a shortage of 35'000...how many IT eng. do Switzerland graduate each year? 150...200? Good luck with that one...but please SVP make it harder for Indians to come here...morons...

Ask SVP that...

Not only will it be an issue for foreigners in Switzerland should this nonsense pass, but also for Swiss citizens living in the EU. I wonder how the SVP feels about them - wanting them to come home, or perhaps glad they're gone?

SVP only makes clear what they do NOT want, they seldom come with anything constructive...for instance how are SVP going to solve the incredible shortage of work force? what is their plan? Say "NO" to everything...yes that is progress...

They were morons, they are morons and they will always continue to be...

like they care....
I heard that 700'000 Swiss are living abroad...that could solve the problem with the shortage of work force, but they probably left for a reason...

Ah, but the Swiss abroad can - and do - vote, so the SVP should care about them.

More foreigners flock here than do the Swiss out of here...so that should negligible.

... the word care and SVP in the same sentence...

Who claims the 35'000 shortage, can you quote?

Btw, we're having the same debate in the US...

I saw it on TV, but I found this article:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business...l?cid=28833064

Switzerland is doing right a lot of things, in spite of the SVPler declaring otherwise. This is where they contradict themselves. The complain about Switzerland doing everything wrong in the morning and then say in the afternoon that Switzerland is doing everything right.

Switzerland is doing right thanks to the mix of political forces. This is tough on the SVPlers. They for example dislike the fact that the SP has two members in the federal government and they just one. But they most likely will get a second seat in the next Federal Council elections which most likely will result in the ousting of Widmer-Schlumpf and the entry of a second SVPler(in) .

Well, I am strictly in favour of Switzerland renting the Southern Alsace for 499 years and Southern Baden-Württemberg for the same time Jokes aside, many Swiss people while still working at the same place as before have their lodgings in neighbouring "Euroland"

This country has not declared anything thelike. Just look at what the Swiss Economics Minister Schneider-Ammann declared right yesterday at a speech in Zurich.

You are not up-do-date. Banking started to get outsourced in the 1980ies.

What matters in Switzerland is the export-industry (NOT the heavy industry which is gradually disappearing) and the inbound-tourism. And the various parts of the "service-industry" (transports, hotels, restaurant, conference-centres, insurance-companies, etc).

Sorry, but the housewives have gone to work 30 years ago. Here in this apartment-block the only "housewives" not going working are above 65 years of age

The number of "graduates" is declining for the simple reason that the population is declining. AND

A) the "babyboomers", which means people born between 1945 and 1965 are now gradually entering retirement age, which means that a vast bulk of the population in 10 years will be retirees
B) the generation born AFTER 1965 is far smaller in numbers and so hardly can replace the outgoing generation
C) the SVPlers talk about that "the Swiss" ought to have more children, but fail to explain why their party members have less than two children or none at all

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This is true, HOWEVER the Swiss-abroad are important in all elections and votes, and therefore courted by all parties.


as outlined above, the question is not whether it is 7000 or 12000 or 25000 or 35000 or even 40000, the point is that the change of generation within the coming two decades means a sharp reduction of the workforce by numbers

there is NO shortage - yes certain skills in niche areas without a doubt, some other areas also, but thats it. Those numbers are just plucked from the air then put through computer models by academics justifying their existence. The politicians then ask the media to latch on to it, so that crazy policies can be put through with little to no debate.

UDC is very good in playing on people's fear of foreigners and I am growing a bit tired of it. It would not be bad if someone would come out saying something positive about foreigners for a change. At the end of the day, in my humble opinion, Switzerland's success is based to a large extent on its capacity in attracting qualified foreigners to do all kinds of job needed in Switzerland. Without foreigners, Switzerland can close its hospitals, restaurants, public transport, and a lot of its companies tomorrow if they were not able to tap on these resources. Yes we come here because it's attractive to work but it would even be nicer to feel a bit welcome. I don't want to have to worry in future whether they will renew my permit as an EU citizen.

Or live in Ticino.

Most families here are single income.

Tom

maybe I can't tell, I just reported from infoswiss, do not how you can be so sure though? Is it your opinion or you have some source?

I think comments like yours is the reason why Switzerland is not self-supported in terms of sufficient qualified labor...

Anyhow, I work in a quite big global company, and we definitely having problem finding qualified labor...the demand is really huge...and I guess an IT engineer does not have to justify his existence, its their time of age...

Do you have a problem with grammar ? Why "would" ? It has been in the news all over the place
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/24809432
http://www.appenzellerzeitung.ch/imp...119548,2571788
http://www.limmattalerzeitung.ch/lim...rern-108556290
Zürich City President Corine Mauch declares
- Zürich profits from immigration
- She thanked, in a speech in the government building of the City of Zurich, the first generation of immigrants from Italy and Spain for their performance
- She made it clear that a good part of the quality of life in Zurich, of the economic strength of Zürich, and of the vitality of Zürich is thanks to those people who more than 40 years ago immigrated to Zürich from Italy and Spain
- She remarked that these immigrants now are a well integrated and appreciated part of society
- She told the invited guests of Italian and Spanish origin "We eat better, have nicer clothes, spend more time outdoors, are more creative and know now how to celebrate thanks to you. Zürich has become a more lively place thanks to you" culminating in the statement "Siamo tutti Zurighesi"


> Whether a city president in about 2025 will say the same about the immigrants from ex-Yugoslavia cannot yet be said, BUT is most likely, sure is that the City President in 2025 WILL say the same about the Tamils.

The Ticino is romantic ! and a bit of oldworldliness

Switzerland for decades "produced" more qualified labour than non-qualified labour, but if you realize that Zurich, Basel and Geneva together with even including outsuburbs less than 3 mio. people combined have MORE corporate HQs than Paris, you will realize that Switzerland needs foreigners also on the top. And the IT industry grew enormously exactly at a time when the number of young people started to decline, to decline seriously.

Your company may be big and global, but it for sure did not come to Switzerland due to millions of people out of jobs. In other words, should the SVP with an initiative succeed in heavily curtailing immigration, your company had no alternative than to shift activities to elsewhere.

Once again, I work in a small company where we three years ago, as no CH successor was around, sold a part of our activities to Britain. And then had to start to reorganize the other parts, which is not so easy. And when we will be through and up again, we in the end will have to sell out, possibly to one of the German companies active here around. Lack of qualified people ? Not really no, but A) qualified people find easier and more profitable activities .... and B) qualified people after 1955-60 simply were not born. You cannot employ people NOT born ! People NOT born cannot take over small companies !