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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

I'm soo proud of my country's FBI to come after these 7 people;and take them away.

I bet anything one of the richest Swiss human beings Mr.Blatter wishes he could turn into a Swiss cow right now.

Watch out Sepp,America is comin' after you once all your gents talk.
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With all the allegations of corruption, I'd like to ask; is FIFA really mismanaged? Apart from corrupt fat cats, who should be put away, has the sport really been hurt? Has Blatter truly been a bad leader? How? And what are the alternatives?
i've also been thinking about this too, imho by and large up to the selection of Russia and Qatar as WC hosts football has thrived under Blatter and FIFA despite the corruption, backhanders etc.
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As an Organization, hasn't FIFA flourished, its holdings growing into the billions, allowing it to finance construction and development projcts, ?
I think that is just it. A percentage of the support for the construction and development projects as well as educational projects, gets trousered by FIFA officials at all levels and never reaches the intended beneficiaries.

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I would also point out that corruption is quite rampant in the world with or without FIFA.
That's no reason for a high profile international organization to embrace it in the way FIFA does (while all along claiming to be squeaky clean).

You could argue that if Russia and Qatar are stupid and vain enough to waste their money like this, it is their problem. (Especially as it's been shown that neither hosting the World Cup nor the Olympics in recent years has done anything but lose money for the host country.) So why not give the world cup to the highest bidder and FIFA gets the fees? To me that would be OK - it's the way Bernie Ecclestone decides the Grand Prix calender. But here, an apparently open and fair system - which should award the cup to the country that can provide the facilities, infrastructure and fans, is being subverted by people making personal gains from under-the-table payments. I feel sorry for places like South Africa who probably did deserve to host it, but felt compelled to bribe in order to do so.

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i've also been thinking about this too, imho by and large up to the selection of Russia and Qatar as WC hosts football has thrived under Blatter and FIFA despite the corruption, backhanders etc.
I don't think FIFA has anything to do with football thriving around the world. Go to any developing country and what are they watching? Manchester bloody United or Barca. It's the top teams and leagues that grab people's attention. The world cup is a welcome bonus (which after all, must lose many people's attention as their team doesn't qualify or gets knocked out) but it is a sideshow compared to the premier league etc..

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I'm soo proud of my country's FBI to come after these 7 people;and take them away.
Aside from the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, US police often act more like cowboys than peace officers. As an example, the Chicago Sun-Times is running a story on two Chicago cops posing as hunters over a black man wearing antlers. One cop was subsequently fired and the other is in jail on an unrelated charge:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/...an-man-antlers
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I'm soo proud of my country's FBI to come after these 7 people;and take them away.

I bet anything one of the richest Swiss human beings Mr.Blatter wishes he could turn into a Swiss cow right now.

Watch out Sepp,America is comin' after you once all your gents talk.
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With all the allegations of corruption, I'd like to ask; is FIFA really mismanaged? Apart from corrupt fat cats, who should be put away, has the sport really been hurt? Has Blatter truly been a bad leader? How? And what are the alternatives?
The sport hasn't really been hurt because FIFA doesn't have that much to do with the game itself, although they like to think otherwise. The only thing FIFA are really responsible for is the World Cup, and they've managed to screw that up.

Look at the massive costs that had to be bourne by South Africa and Brazil. Or the fact that Blatter insisted that a new stadium was built in Cape Town, despite the city already having a perfectly good stadium, because Blatter didn't believe it to be photogenic enough. In South Africa and in the jungle in Brazil sit enourmous white elephant stadiums that are empty and have no use. Do you think Blatter cares about them once the circus has rolled on?

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You obviously didn't have the pleasure of watching the main Swiss news at 7:30 pm on SF1 and either the main German news at 7 pm on ZDF or at 8pm on ARD. You'd have believed that the Swiss reporter covered another story, which just happened to feature a guy with the same name.
The Germans are definitely pissed.



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The Germans are definitely pissed.
My point exactly (and not only them). Whereas the Swiss news reporter managed to reiterate Blatter's opening speech statement that it needs him in another term to fight this evil corruption by a few misguided individuals effectively as if it was a fact. See yesterday's news here at 3:30min onwards: http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/tagesschau
There was additional blah about how affected poor Sepp was by all these unfortunate events...
And then there is Bundesrat Maurer openly supporting Blatter, teaming up with good ol' Wladimir Putin himself.
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So the congress is off to a good start...

https://twitter.com/OliverKayTimes/s...90806350655488
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I think that is just it. A percentage of the support for the construction and development projects as well as educational projects, gets trousered by FIFA officials at all levels and never reaches the intended beneficiaries.

That's no reason for a high profile international organization to embrace it in the way FIFA does (while all along claiming to be squeaky clean).

You could argue that if Russia and Qatar are stupid and vain enough to waste their money like this, it is their problem. (Especially as it's been shown that neither hosting the World Cup nor the Olympics in recent years has done anything but lose money for the host country.) So why not give the world cup to the highest bidder and FIFA gets the fees? To me that would be OK - it's the way Bernie Ecclestone decides the Grand Prix calender. But here, an apparently open and fair system - which should award the cup to the country that can provide the facilities, infrastructure and fans, is being subverted by people making personal gains from under-the-table payments. I feel sorry for places like South Africa who probably did deserve to host it, but felt compelled to bribe in order to do so.

I don't think FIFA has anything to do with football thriving around the world. Go to any developing country and what are they watching? Manchester bloody United or Barca. It's the top teams and leagues that grab people's attention. The world cup is a welcome bonus (which after all, must lose many people's attention as their team doesn't qualify or gets knocked out) but it is a sideshow compared to the premier league etc..

I'm still having trouble seeing it clearly, other than as allegations. The money that is said to be pocketed is FIFA revenue generated mostly through TV and Marketing rights. Sporting events are not known to make money for host countries. They are desired for building infrastructure, and raising a country's stature, less for actual cash generation.

I know that in many places in the world, nothing happens without paying off someone. To do anything in those places requires playing the local corruption game. I think someone posted a corruption map earlier that graphs the spread of corruption.

In the last number of years, FIFA basically brought on a modern sports/entertainment industry in places like Africa, ME and Easter Europe. In the process, it accrued a lot of political clout and cash. While kids play in dirt lots all they want, I doubt the game would be elevated to the level it is now.

Very tricky to discern what FIFA did or did not do. What Blatter did or did not do. I think they can be faulted for not operating transparently, and not having sufficient ethical governance. But I don't see what else beyond that.

I don't have any love for Blatter and FIFA. I see the collective masses would like to exercise its two minute of hate. I'm not going to get in the way of it. I'm just trying to understand the situation clearly.
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I watched the last FIFA Congress voting live to see England's representative's speech criticising Blatter and the set up where he replied begging the English FA to stop upsetting the FIFA 'family' and criticising his organisation.


I can't remember which channel I watched on-line but there might be a few more interesting critical speeches ahead of the voting this year streamed live on the FIFA website tomorrow:
http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/...m-2607376.html
unless they've decided to abandon it this year.
The above link seems to be working on their website or you can go to their YouTube live stream channel directly here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FIFATV
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I think this sums up the FIFA hierarchy quite nicely:

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The money that is said to be pocketed is FIFA revenue generated mostly through TV and Marketing rights.
I'm not sure that it is FIFA revenue that is being pocketed. It's brown envelopes passed by bidding countries to FIFA delegates to buy their and other delegates votes. It never appears on any balance sheets.
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I don't agree - it shows a massive block of corruption, but misses out that four other VPs and regional associations are (relatively) clean.

Which gives some hope - get rid of Blatter and this bunch of thieves, and there is probably enough left to rebuild.
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I'm not sure that it is FIFA revenue that is being pocketed. It's brown envelopes passed by bidding countries to FIFA delegates to buy their and other delegates votes. It never appears on any balance sheets.
I could see how some of these can be attributed to bad business practices, some through sheer incompetence, as these seem more between sports event people and local government officials. They may not be quite professional in their financial and ethical practices. A local concession contract to keep Brazilian Favela gangs from tourists, for example, might have been simply pragmatic. But I'll keep my eye out for more damning evidence.

Where I would draw the line is in match-fixing. If the corruption goes that deep, then I would say Blatter and FIFA have ruined the game, should be abolished and they should all be whisked away.
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Business as usual to continue I'm afraid, despite all the premature glee over the G-Men tossing around RICO threats

The silver lining?...This is Sepp's last election...until the next criminal takes over
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How have the fans been hurt? They buy tickets, they wach their game, their teams win or lose, they scream during goals. Isn't that what they pay for? Is it by high ticket prices?
the purpose of anti-bribery and anti-corruption laws really has nothing at all to do with protecting consumers, but rather is focused principally on ensuring compliance with US treaty obligations and mitigating the negative foreign policy impact of having US businesses exploiting third world economies by profiting on local corruption. I realize, of course, that the last part of the sentence will come across as rather ironic in light of the US military's ongoing destruction of third world economies around the globe, but at least with respect to anti-bribery and anti-corruption the intent is genuine.

personally, I think this is an absolutely brilliant play by Blatter - FIFA has already received more US media attention in the last 48 hours than it has in the last 48 years in the aggregate. this scandal will no doubt be good for the development of "football" in the US.

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Sepp is on and currently speaking in French. The international language of diplomacy! No live interpreter/translation into English. (YouTube has interpretator but not the FIFA.com live stream).
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

So it looks like the 3rd world FAs are supporting Blatter and the Europeans the 3rd world candidate

Who is Fifa president challenger Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein?

With Fifa in crisis, can a Jordanian Prince become the next leader of sport's world governing body?
Prince Ali Bin al-Hussein will be the sole challenger at Friday's presidential election to Sepp Blatter, 78, who is seeking a fifth term of office.
The 39-year-old was not even born when Mr Blatter joined Fifa, and has presented himself as the change candidate.
Here's what we know about him.
Who is Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein?


Prince Ali has been Fifa Vice-President for Asia for the past four years.

Announcing his plans to stand for president, Prince Ali said: "It is time to shift the focus away from administrative controversy and back to sport.
"The headlines should be about football, not about Fifa.
"The message I heard, over and over, was that it is time for a change," he said.
The son of the late King Hussein and the late Queen Alia, who died in a helicopter crash in 1977, he attended Sandhurst military academy before joining his country's armed forces.
Prince Ali successfully championed the lifting of Fifa's ban on the hijab in women's football.

This is the first time since 2002 that Sepp Blatter has been challenged for the role - and the Jordanian is the only option for Mr Blatter's opponents.
Two other candidates for the job, ex-Portugal midfielder Luis Figo and Dutch football president Michael van Praag, both dropped out to support Prince Ali's bid.
Mr Blatter has been in charge of Fifa since 1998 and the body has suffered persistent allegations of corruption during his presidency, culminating in the charges filed against several senior Fifa executives this week.
There was also controversy when Russia won the right to host the 2018 World Cup, while Qatar was awarded the 2022 tournament. Fifa cleared both of corruption.
Reacting to the latest scandal, Prince Ali said "we cannot continue this crisis in Fifa".
He called for "leadership that restores confidence in the hundreds of millions of football fans around the world".

Prince Ali's got some backing


Uefa boss Michel Platini (left) is not a fan of Sepp Blatter

European Football's governing body Uefa has thrown its weight behind Prince Ali.
Uefa president Michel Platini said a "big, big, big majority" of European associations would back him at the election.
"People have had enough," Platini said. "People do not want a President (Blatter), whom I like all the same, they do not want him."
He has won support from national football associations too - the chairman of England's Football Association Greg Dyke, said Fifa has "got to be rid" of Mr Blatter.

But not everyone's happy


AFC president Shaikh Salman bin Ibrahim Al Khalifa (left) has said the body will support Blatter

Even if all the European nations back Prince Ali, that may not be enough to secure him the presidency, with Mr Blatter still retaining support in developing countries.
The Asian Football Confederation - of which Jordan is a member - has said it continues to back Mr Blatter, as has the Confederation of Africa Football.
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So it looks like the 3rd world FAs are supporting Blatter and the Europeans the 3rd world candidate
It likely follows the flow of the money.
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Security has been called by Sepp for some hecklers. I think from Palestinians.
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