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Unconfirmed reports of a bomb threat there now! Lol

EDIT: Now confirmed by Zurich Police

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Old 29.05.2015, 13:18
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Unconfirmed reports of a bomb threat there now! Lol

EDIT: Now confirmed by Zurich Police
Somebody spotted a suspicious brown paper bag - the assumption being that if it is at FIFA then it is a bomb.

What else could it be??

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Old 29.05.2015, 13:35
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I'm still having trouble seeing it clearly, other than as allegations. The money that is said to be pocketed is FIFA revenue generated mostly through TV and Marketing rights. Sporting events are not known to make money for host countries. They are desired for building infrastructure, and raising a country's stature, less for actual cash generation.

I know that in many places in the world, nothing happens without paying off someone. To do anything in those places requires playing the local corruption game. I think someone posted a corruption map earlier that graphs the spread of corruption.

In the last number of years, FIFA basically brought on a modern sports/entertainment industry in places like Africa, ME and Easter Europe. In the process, it accrued a lot of political clout and cash. While kids play in dirt lots all they want, I doubt the game would be elevated to the level it is now.

Very tricky to discern what FIFA did or did not do. What Blatter did or did not do. I think they can be faulted for not operating transparently, and not having sufficient ethical governance. But I don't see what else beyond that.

I don't have any love for Blatter and FIFA. I see the collective masses would like to exercise its two minute of hate. I'm not going to get in the way of it. I'm just trying to understand the situation clearly.
The answer to your question is that the money that went into people's pockets could and should have been used to improve the sport.
Whater FIFA achieved todate the extra money would have given them scope to do far more.
We are talking about lost opportunity.
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Old 29.05.2015, 13:45
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The answer to your question is that the money that went into people's pockets could and should have been used to improve the sport.
Whater FIFA achieved todate the extra money would have given them scope to do far more.
We are talking about lost opportunity.

So how would you say that has not happened? With FIFA, under Blatter, the World Cup spread internationally, to Asia, Africa, ME, etc. By what measure? I think one could arguably say they are accomplishing what they set out to do.
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Old 29.05.2015, 14:08
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So how would you say that has not happened? With FIFA, under Blatter, the World Cup spread internationally, to Asia, Africa, ME, etc. By what measure? I think one could arguably say they are accomplishing what they set out to do.
Each year they have a list of projects and do those that fit in their budget; with more budget they could have done more.
It is not a question of targets, it is a matter of lost opportunity.
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Phos - an analogy.

Three people are hanging off a cliff by their fingertips. I walk past, rescue two, and stamp on the hands of the third before watching him fall to his death.

Your argument is "job well done! Two people saved; they might all have died if Adrian London hadn't rescued them". Everyone else's argument is "The bastard killed someone; another person walking past would most likely have saved all three".
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Each year they have a list of projects and do those that fit in their budget; with more budget they could have done more.
It is not a question of targets, it is a matter of lost opportunity.
I think that is a lot of conjecture that would not really hold up as a case. As a non-profit, they simply need to demonstrate that their revenue is spent towards their mission. Incompetencies,, misplanning, and unavoidable risks are not corruption per se. Lots of organizations miss their targets without the corruption.

I haven't really seen the proof to justify the hysteria yet.
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Perhaps FIFA should consider the example of the Swiss Presidency, selection on a rotational basis.
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The comments by the live FIFA YouTube stream are coming thick and fast and quite hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpiVLm6gxVo (part 2 now)


Blatter said earlier he is not solely responsible and it was the entire board of governors and every member (300 million) and they all share responsibility.


Then the ethics spokesman asked members to ask themselves in future "Is what I am doing legal?".
Erm...uuuh..."Oh yeah! It is illegal....But it's a customary way of doing business in my country, so it's a grey area for me."

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Perhaps FIFA should consider the example of the Swiss Presidency, selection on a rotational basis.
Most democratic organistations limit the time that anyone can serve, party to bring in new ideas and also to reduce the chances of corruption.

The very fact that FIFA don't work like this is bad enough on its own. The word 'dictatorship' comes to mind.
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I think that is a lot of conjecture that would not really hold up as a case. As a non-profit, they simply need to demonstrate that their revenue is spent towards their mission. Incompetencies,, misplanning, and unavoidable risks are not corruption per se. Lots of organizations miss their targets without the corruption.

I haven't really seen the proof to justify the hysteria yet.
Conjecture? You can go to the FIFA web page and see the list of projects approved and the projects they will do next year due to lack of budget this year.

Clear lost opportunities
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Conjecture? You can go to the FIFA web page and see the list of projects approved and the projects they will do next year due to lack of budget this year.

Clear lost opportunities
Ehh, losing opportunities is not criminal nor corrupt. Non-profits will typically push its projects to following years as available budgets allows. I also see that FIFA is taking in more social responsibility in terms of racism and environment. But whether or not it should have been charged with fighting local corruption around the world, that really is more of a government remit. Still not seeing FIFA and Blatter's crimes yet. But we certainly know the world is corrupt.

Not sure if FIFA should be expected to be used as a politically motivated instrument to fight corruption. Its mission is Football, and elevating the sport. Its in a position to actually teach sportsmanship, and the importance of ethics in life. But these allegations already debilitate its potential to propagate ethics. Yet, I don't know if FIFA or Blatter is causing this damage, or the rumour mongering and media hysteria.
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Old 29.05.2015, 15:21
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Ehh, losing opportunities is not criminal nor corrupt. Non-profits will typically push its projects to following years as available budgets allows. I also see that FIFA is taking in more social responsibility in terms of racism and environment. But whether or not it should have been charged with fighting local corruption around the world, that really is more of a government remit. Still not seeing FIFA and Blatter's crimes yet. But we certainly know the world is corrupt.

Not sure if FIFA should be expected to be used as a politically motivated instrument to fight corruption. Its mission is Football, and elevating the sport. Its in a position to actually teach sportsmanship, and the importance of ethics in life. But these allegations already debilitate its potential to propagate ethics. Yet, I don't know if FIFA or Blatter is causing this damage, or the rumour mongering and media hysteria.

Ah, changing your question, again!

Losing opportunities is the result of corruption; the reason is money went into people's pockets instead of into FIFA funds so was not available to fund more projects.

It would be nice if FIFA fought corruption. However I believe most people would be content if senior FIFA people stopped encouraging corruption; here I am not talking about allegations, I am talking about the senior FIFA people who already pleaded guilty!

Of course there is a long list of people arrested who may also be found guilty.
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Perhaps FIFA should consider the example of the Swiss Presidency, selection on a rotational basis.
Based on the current VPs, that would give three years with a president who's a corruption suspect out of a seven years cycle.

The Swiss system works because it's democratic and public - FIFA is anything but.

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So how would you say that has not happened? With FIFA, under Blatter, the World Cup spread internationally, to Asia, Africa, ME, etc. By what measure? I think one could arguably say they are accomplishing what they set out to do.
So does the defender who breaks the leg of a star forward, but it's not really the way to play.

Also, with massive globalisation on just about everything, getting it to spread internationally in 20 years isn't that big an achievement.
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Based on the current VPs, that would give three years with a president who's a corruption suspect out of a seven years cycle.

The Swiss system works because it's democratic and public - FIFA is anything but.



So does the defender who breaks the leg of a star forward, but it's not really the way to play.

Also, with massive globalisation on just about everything, getting it to spread internationally in 20 years isn't that big an achievement.

I was not considering the actual potential candidates - only the mechanics of a system - but point well taken. They could eliminate any VPs w/criminal records, excessive spending habits and have each one take 10 penalty shots. Highest scorer, minus the forelisted charcoal marks is a potential candidate?

In any case it is time for Mr B to go - ETH professors must retire at 65, and there are very good reasons for that.
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Here we go finally up to agenda item no 16 (FIFA Vice Presidents).
Next up will be the secret ballot for President.
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Not sure if FIFA should be expected to be used as a politically motivated instrument to fight corruption. Its mission is Football, and elevating the sport. Its in a position to actually teach sportsmanship, and the importance of ethics in life. .


it does not look at all to me like FIFA embraces theimportance of ethics in life....

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it does not look at all to me like FIFA embraces theimportance of ethics in life....
Got it.

I guess we're still at the Chorus part of the Opera. "Scaramouche, Scaramouch, Fandango!"

I'll just have to wait to find out more as the story unfolds.
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And it is over: Sepp Blatter got 362 of 209 votes.
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This list of reasons to vote for him must help.

http://www.zeit.de/sport/2015-05/sep...er-all-reasons
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