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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

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Who is worse? the Fifa officials taking bribes? or the countries paying the bribes to get what they want?
Watching the Panorama documentary from last week, FIFA officials are those soliciting bribes, so for me they are the worse.
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Old 30.05.2011, 12:05
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

And to recap the thing about the corrupt networks that piss me off the most:

If I drive 10kmh too fast, I pay some 120 CHF fine.

If Sepp Blatter is speeding, overtakes where there was no space, loses control of his SL 63 AMG and crashes into oncoming traffic... so powerfully that he catapults a Golf off the street and down a hill... what happens? A cop removes his number plate in order to cover up that it was Blatter. A surprisingly mild judge decides that he has to pay a fine of 600 CHF. That's the same price as if they catch you driving after drinking two beers (blood aclohol between 0.5 and 0.6)

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/ber...oeglich-111690
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Watching the Panorama documentary from last week, FIFA officials are those soliciting bribes, so for me they are the worse.
Well either way I should imagine that those countries that have paid bribes will be hoping that this all disappears, which of course is Blatter`s strongest card.
If this all comes out, it goes much further than kicking out a couple of corrupt fifa officials. There may be some very red faces around the world.
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Old 30.05.2011, 12:31
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Let's don't forget another important element in the equation. The swiss association law is way too laxist; it enables the FIFA, IOC and alikes to do whatever they want. A stricter version should be introduced even with the risk of having them flee under a more bribe-tolerant sky.
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Excellent thread Mr Wollishofener.

I saw the FIFA Conference Stand in Arrivals 1 Zurich Airport last night and I thought "let's see if the chickens finally come home to roost this week"

Meanwhile, this Blatter Quote caught my eye as Sepp's "Eric Cantona + Seagulls moment"

"When a Swiss farmer's neighbour has a cow while he has none, the less fortunate farmer will work twice as hard so that one day he can buy a cow as well," he said.
"When another farmer, elsewhere, on an island, say, has no cow but his neighbour does, that farmer will kill the neighbour's cow out of sheer malice. I'd rather be a Swiss farmer, like it or not."

!!! Anyone try and explain what Blatter was saying

Edit - ah sorry, Mirfield already had a go earlier in the thread...
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"When a Swiss farmer's neighbour has a cow while he has none, the less fortunate farmer will work twice as hard so that one day he can buy a cow as well," he said.
"When another farmer, elsewhere, on an island, say, has no cow but his neighbour does, that farmer will kill the neighbour's cow out of sheer malice. I'd rather be a Swiss farmer, like it or not."

!!! Anyone try and explain what Blatter was saying

Non-Swiss people are cow murdering savages. And - Islanders are a particularly savage type of non-Swiss.
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Old 30.05.2011, 12:47
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

what he really means is, he's milking the world for as much as he can get
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Old 30.05.2011, 13:43
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

So Jack Warner, another of the saviours of football has unleashed his Tsunami
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...a-sepp-blatter

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Warner has disclosed an incendiary email in which Valcke discusses the presidential-election campaign of the QatariFifa executive-committee member, Mohamed Bin Hammam, who was himself suspended on Sunday. In the message Valcke appears to accuse Qatar of "buying" the World Cup.
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running," Valcke's email states. "If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC."
Valcke has confirmed the email is correct
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...-email?cc=5739

So that means Qatar officially bought the World Cup, so what happens now?
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Old 30.05.2011, 13:49
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So that means Qatar officially bought the World Cup, so what happens now?
Punish the buyer and the seller.

EDIT: had a quick look at FIFA mission statement. For the Game, For the World....so what "game" are they talking about?
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Old 30.05.2011, 14:58
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

I find myself solidly reminded of House Of Cards and Francis Urquhart. At any moment I'm expecting Blatter to say "You might think that... but I couldn't possibly comment..."
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sepp Blatter WON, as he got cleared of the accusations while his adversary is suspended. His actual re-election so should be no problem
It's absolutely shocking how much power Blatter has amassed and how little corresponding accountability he bears. All of this and FIFA is still considered a not for profit organization.

The problem is that FIFA has all of the TV and licensing arrangements in place, making it essentially inviolable. The race to the bottom for tournament rights means that no one country or region can afford directly to challenge FIFA because another country or region will immediately step in to take advantage.

Nothing will change. It would take far too much concerted effort on the part of too many different countries for anything meaningful to happen.

Now if Blazer threw his lot in with the UK they might be able to make enough noise to do something -- but as long as FIFA gets to try its own and then move down the road whistling, as it did with this sham ethics investigation, there will not be any real change.
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Re: Sepp Blatter WON

Maybe the house of cards will fall after all, now that Australia want the $ 35 million back that they spent on the 2022 bid.
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Old 30.05.2011, 15:49
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Probably if Mladic was tried in Serbia, I guess he might also be found with no charges to answer
Did you expect anything else ....
FIFA are still about to implode




Why should FIFA implode ? and while Mladic is a war-criminal, Blatter is innocent. And Blatter was NOT "tried" in court, but just had to deal with some accusations, which in the end were dropped.
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Old 30.05.2011, 16:21
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Maybe the house of cards will fall after all, now that Australia want the $ 35 million back that they spent on the 2022 bid.


Because 35 Mil is a lot of money? For FIFA?? And what exactly will Australia do? Threaten to not join a world cup? They are hardly that important for international football that anyone outside of Australia would miss them there... the only ones who could get dangerous for Blatter are a handful of European and South American countries. And Blatter has them under control very well. I do not see the German DFB critizising Blatter at all as long as the alternative is some even more shady Arabian guy, let alone those two US douchebags. I guess it is basically an art to give the pretty high jobs to idiots in order to protect your own presidency... no somewhat serious contender in sight, is there?

FIFA is a completely intransparent network of some pseudo-politicians playing with a lot of other people's money and claiming to do this for some intangible greater good. The whole point is that the only one who controls what FIFA is doing is... FIFA. And the ones controlling some people are the political enemies of them running for the same jobs. This HAS to lead to corruption. But you will need to be able to proof it, not to the tabloids but in court. This email alone is hardly strong enough.


P.S: I do not know if you are all aware how Germany got the world cup 2006. The delegates are not really chosing on their own, they are told clearly by their country what they are supposed to vote. Everyone expected South Africa to get the 2006 WC and they were beaten on the last moment 12:11 by a delegate who voted against his orders. He complained about all the lobbing and bribes he was offered during the meetings in Zurich. Later some even presented faxes that offered bribes... and it turns out that it was the German satire magazin Titanic who sent some of them to the Dolder Grand:
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[…] in this difficult situation, Germany would like to emphasize the urgency of its appeal to hold the World Cup 2006 in Germany.

Let me come straight to the point:
In appreciation of your support we would like to offer you a small gift for your vote in favour of Germany:
A fine basket with specialities from the black forest, including some really good sausages, ham and – hold on to your seat – a wonderful KuKuClock!
And a beer mug, too! Do we leave you any choice???

We trust in the wisdom of your decision tomorrow,
sincerely yours

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Because 35 Mil is a lot of money? For FIFA?? And what exactly will Australia do? Threaten to not join a world cup? They are hardly that important for international football that anyone outside of Australia would miss them there... the only ones who could get dangerous for Blatter are a handful of European and South American countries. And Blatter has them under control very well. I do not see the German DFB critizising Blatter at all as long as the alternative is some even more shady Arabian guy, let alone those two US douchebags. I guess it is basically an art to give the pretty high jobs to idiots in order to protect your own presidency... no somewhat serious contender in sight, is there?
I wasn't aiming at the amount (which of course is nothing for the MAFIFA), but a country with little importance in international football might not hold back in releasing certain information that can harm the FIFA's reputation even more.
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Why should FIFA implode ? and while Mladic is a war-criminal, Blatter is innocent. And Blatter was NOT "tried" in court, but just had to deal with some accusations, which in the end were dropped.
Please, are you that naive? Blatter is only innocent of not breaking FIFA's code of conduct, a code that he himself helped to write.

He has testified to the facts that he knew beforehand that Bin Hammam would be giving cash bribes whilst in the Caribbean; and that he decided not to say anything about it.

He has been cleared by the FIFA committee based on the judgement that because no actual bribe had taken place, there was no "duty to report".

Look at any other corruption legislation anywhere in the world, and you will find the wording to the effect that "if someone suspects, or has reason to suspect," etc etc "then that suspicion should be disclosed to the authorities"

Blatter had very good reason to suspect that bribes would be paid; he had been told directly that they would, by the person who paid the bribes.

1) he should have disclosed that fact immediately
2) the FIFA anti-corruption legislation that he wrote should have required him to disclose that fact immediately
3) I fail to see how anyone can have any confidence that he would not act in exactly the same way in future, having been exonerated of any wrong-doing for these actions
4) He cannot in good conscience re-write the anti-corruption legislation to require such a disclosure in future, as to do so is to acknowledge his own misdeeds in this case

His position is clearly untenable; either he has broken a code of ethics that FIFA should have been applying, or he is unable to re-write the FIFA code of ethics to clear the allegations of corruption being levelled at FIFA. Neither of those positions is one that should be held by the president and chief (sole?) decision maker of such a global organisation.
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

And here I was thinking that the NFL were having problems with greedy owners with our football. All seems to be fair in love and soccer, it's a nice business to do people with and claim that you're promoting sport.

My opinion is that Blatter is an embarrassment to Switzerland and at best a poor ambassador for a game that is enjoyed worldwide which would be better promoted by an honest patron. But I couldn't possibly comment on his legal situation because I have no idea what the facts are.
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Unsure if there is an equivalent of a Mareva Injunction here in CH, which in other jurisdictions can be taken out by any interested parties to suspend the FIFA appointment until a thorough investigation has been completed.
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...Blatter is innocent...
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Besides Qatar, the United States, and Australia, what other countries bid on the 2022 World Cup? Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, but to me it seems there is more outrage over New York (actually East Rutherford, NJ) hosting the 2014 Super Bowl than the U.S. losing the World Cup bid to Qatar.

The reason I ask is this---would there be more international outrage if it was revealed bribery influenced the selection of Russia for the 2018 World Cup over England and other European nations?
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