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Swiss women earn 41 percent less than men

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Women in Switzerland earn 41 percent less than men, according to the Swiss Federation of Trade Unions (SGB). Wage discrimination has even increased over the past few years, the group said on Friday.



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Old 31.05.2011, 23:49
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You have lies, damn lies and statistics Nil

If you look past the punchy headline:

'Rechsteiner said that wage discrimination was a serious problem in Switzerland, and that women generally earned about 10 percent less than men for equal work.'

I'm not sure what difference there is in other countries but I'd imagine it would be around equal. I'm not saying 10% is okay...I'm just saying it's not as bad as 40%

The 41% figures seems to be collating ALL the mens salaries and taking a mean and comparing all the women's salaries and taking a mean. It doesn't say if the women are working part time or what? It's a very vague article and doesn't really tell us much to be honest.
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You have lies, damn lies and statistics Nil

If you look past the punchy headline:

'Rechsteiner said that wage discrimination was a serious problem in Switzerland, and that women generally earned about 10 percent less than men for equal work.'

I'm not sure what difference there is in other countries but I'd imagine it would be around equal. I'm not saying 10% is okay...I'm just saying it's not as bad as 40%

The 41% figures seems to be collating ALL the mens salaries and taking a mean and comparing all the women's salaries and taking a mean. It doesn't say if the women are working part time or what? It's a very vague article and doesn't really tell us much to be honest.
Hey, I found this news from this forum, It is The Local!

If they say it, it most be true!

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Old 31.05.2011, 23:55
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Hey, I found this news from this forum, It is The Local!

If they say it, it most be true!

They do earn 40% less than men I'm sure, but what Porschie's saying is that they often work part time or in more menial jobs or a combination of these. This isn't taken into consideration.
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Old 31.05.2011, 23:58
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I'm not paying a woman 6k per month to make me a sammich...jeez....
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I'm not paying a woman 6k per month to make me a sammich...jeez....
It's the only way that sammich's gonna get made mate.
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They do earn 40% less than men I'm sure, but what Porschie's saying is that they often work part time or in more menial jobs or a combination of these. This isn't taken into consideration.
It is true, it also says that woman have more insecure jobs and yes, in case of seperations or divorces, they are more often the one in financial trouble.

Still sad indeed. Because even with 2 persons; a man and a woman, with the same work experience, diplomas, etc. the woman is still going to earn less than the man.

Still lot of work to do on that topic.
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It is true, it also says that woman have more insecure jobs and yes, in case of seperations or divorces, they are more often the one in financial trouble.

Still sad indeed. Because even with 2 persons; a man and a woman, with the same work experience, diplomas, etc. the woman is still going to earn less than the man.

Still lot of work to do on that topic.
A lot of it is because they want to or at least decide to earn less. Oftentimes they choose to prioritise children over a career and then their eventual work/wage expectations are reduced.
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It is true, it also says that woman have more insecure jobs and yes, in case of seperations or divorces, they are more often the one in financial trouble.
No, it doesnt say this at all.

1)worse paying is not more insecure. How do you jump to that conclusion? It only means that Swiss females are on average less high educated or work in jobs that pay on average less. The educated part specifically means "education an employer is willing to pay for". And from my experience this is entirely true and I cannot blame the employers alone on it: Swiss society - and this includes the 50% females - is still set up in the way that you are supposed to have a small family and a small house with a small garden. As a man, you go to school and learn something that first and most importantly should be able to support a family and then it should maybe interest you as well. If you are female you go to university and have some fun till you manage to catch your banker/doctor/...
No, not all Swiss are like this, but enough to make this statistic sound completely reasonable to me. How many percent of all engineering students are female here?

2) How on earth can you conclude that divorced females are worse off? Especially if there are kids, the Swiss system is fairly discriminatory for the same old-fashioned reasons described above: The woman will on default get the kids, I guess one would need to be able to proof schizophrenia or something on a similar level in order to convince a judge to give the kids to a guy. The dad on the other hand is invited to pay for many years, because even then he remains the one expected to support the not-anymore-existing family.
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Old 01.06.2011, 00:12
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They do earn 40% less than men I'm sure, but what Porschie's saying is that they often work part time or in more menial jobs or a combination of these. This isn't taken into consideration.
I am not sure if they necessarily want to work more part time/more menial jobs than guys. The child care situation here and school hours don't really help it, either.
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Old 01.06.2011, 00:14
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I am not sure if they necessarily want to work more part time/more menial jobs than guys. The child care situation here and school hours don't really help it, either.
Nothing says women have to take care of the kids while the men go to work. It's the woman's problem if they choose to concede to social norms, this isn't Saudi Arabia. If you're in a position to choose, and you choose to have kids and have them with a guy who believes women take care of the kids/work part time, then that's the choice you've made.
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Hey, I found this news from this forum, It is The Local!

If they say it, it most be true!

Actually it is true, depending on which angle you take This is a very nice example of how to tell lies using statistics
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Old 01.06.2011, 09:09
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You have lies, damn lies and statistics Nil

If you look past the punchy headline:

'Rechsteiner said that wage discrimination was a serious problem in Switzerland, and that women generally earned about 10 percent less than men for equal work.'

I'm not sure what difference there is in other countries but I'd imagine it would be around equal. I'm not saying 10% is okay...I'm just saying it's not as bad as 40%

The 41% figures seems to be collating ALL the mens salaries and taking a mean and comparing all the women's salaries and taking a mean. It doesn't say if the women are working part time or what? It's a very vague article and doesn't really tell us much to be honest.
10% sounds realistic. Let's realize that pregnancy does not stop men from working but can kill the career of a woman.

BUT if you realize that there are women like secretaries of directors who even if not having too heavy qualifications earn far more than highly qualified commercial employees in the same companies, this unfortunately means that the differences are far higher "farther down" and that often without any real basis. It was decades ago, when we learnt that our boss on the phone with a good friend openly declared "women here are just helping-hands". Miss C. , who had heard this by chance, gave notice within a months and went elsewhere. I then hoped that such ideas were to become a thing of the past before long, but I fear that I was not realistic and that such notions as the ones of Mr W.... still are around
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You have lies, damn lies and statistics Nil

If you look past the punchy headline:

'Rechsteiner said that wage discrimination was a serious problem in Switzerland, and that women generally earned about 10 percent less than men for equal work.'

I'm not sure what difference there is in other countries but I'd imagine it would be around equal. I'm not saying 10% is okay...I'm just saying it's not as bad as 40%

The 41% figures seems to be collating ALL the mens salaries and taking a mean and comparing all the women's salaries and taking a mean. It doesn't say if the women are working part time or what? It's a very vague article and doesn't really tell us much to be honest.
I'm not sure I understand this. My wife *ahem* earns all my money, and she doesn't even have a job...
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I'm not sure I understand this. My wife *ahem* earns all my money, and she doesn't even have a job...
In the "get my money... buy my medicine" type of way?

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I'm not sure I understand this. My wife *ahem* earns all my money, and she doesn't even have a job...
As a 'trailing spouse' who used to have a full-time IT job with a six-figure salary that was higher than her husband's six-figure salary I take offense to the 'oh, my trophy wife sits on the sofa and eats bon-bons all day because she can kind of attitude towards women.

If that works for you both, great, but for those of us women who are educated, driven and intelligent, Switzerland is like kryptonite to the soul. I'd like to work but, given the school hours, etc, it means I need to figure out some form of child care, especially for the random holidays, and it's really, really not easy to do. That and the extreme taxation from both sides of the atlantic for a woman bringing home the bacon along with her husband and it makes the rather dramatic cost for child care seem less attractive.
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As a 'trailing spouse' who used to have a full-time IT job with a six-figure salary that was higher than her husband's six-figure salary I take offense to the 'oh, my trophy wife sits on the sofa and eats bon-bons all day because she can kind of attitude towards women.


And where exactly did I say I had a "trophy wife who sits on the sofa and eats bon-bons all day because she can"?

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Oh. Well bugger me, I didn't.

For the record, my wife has a much better education than me and probably than you - or at least the equivalent in her field, anyway. You can be insulted as much as you like, for all I care. Don't take out or project your frustrations on to either of us or make assumptions about something you know nothing about - i.e. me, my wife, our relationship or the decisions we make.

You can of course, just don't expect me to care.

Furthermore, you completely missed the point of my post. But never mind.

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And where exactly did I say I had a "trophy wife who sits on the sofa and eats bon-bons all day because she can"?

<goes back and checks>

Oh. Well bugger me, I didn't.

For the record, my wife has a much better education than me and probably than you - or at least the equivalent in her field, anyway. You can be insulted as much as you like, for all I care. Don't take out or project your frustrations on to either of us or make assumptions about something you know nothing about - i.e. me, my wife, our relationship or the decisions we make.

You can of course, just don't expect me to care.

Furthermore, you completely missed the point of my post. But never mind.

Carry on now, and have a nice weekend.
For a guy who just said his wife earns all his money and doesn't even work....? What was the point of your post then? Please do enlighten me.
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Poptart, I understand your points and feel like this too but you send it toward the wrong guy,

It is no where Carlos said something you have been suggested. Believe me, he isn't that type of guy, not our Carlos.

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As a 'trailing spouse' who used to have a full-time IT job with a six-figure salary that was higher than her husband's six-figure salary I take offense to the 'oh, my trophy wife sits on the sofa and eats bon-bons all day because she can kind of attitude towards women.

If that works for you both, great, but for those of us women who are educated, driven and intelligent, Switzerland is like kryptonite to the soul. I'd like to work but, given the school hours, etc, it means I need to figure out some form of child care, especially for the random holidays, and it's really, really not easy to do. That and the extreme taxation from both sides of the atlantic for a woman bringing home the bacon along with her husband and it makes the rather dramatic cost for child care seem less attractive.
When I went to school, the mothers of many of my mates were working. Some after school went to the "Kinderhort" and most of them clearly defended that institution as a nice thing. And some went home (among them a good friend of us) and found things pre-prepared by their mothers, just as at lunchtime. And we between 4pm and 6pm were outside anyway. As soon as your children are at school-age, you can prepare lunch for them (cold of course at least in the beginning) as well as a small snack for when they return back home at 4pm . Give them a bit of responsiblity like looking for your plants on the balcony at lunchtime. Mrs Br.... who sometimes could return at lunchtime and sometimes not, often gave her son a phonecall to check things up AND to tell him that she had forgotten this or that (she possibly had NOT forgotten anything !) and tell him to do something. I in hindsight have to recognize that quite many of those fully working mothers were ingenious and full of ideas how to solve the problem


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I don't think anyone is disputing that. Me least of all.

Switzerland suffers badly from SFS - Swiss Frau Syndrome - whereby life is geared to keeping the Mrs in the confines of her "home".
But here around (Zürich and suburbs) a majority of all the mothers (of children above 8 years of age ..... in case of younger children it is very very far from easy) go working full time. They have to make intelligent arrangements about their kids.

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