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I actually think it is a good thing that person got a lesson on online bullying. Earlier it happens, more media writes about it, better for kids, they will be careful.
Translation from the source: Tanja commented a picture of a wooden box with the words "Teacher/Mrs. H. surely wouldn't fit in that box with her ass".
That girl lost her apprenticeship for that and now has to do another year at school for this comment, minimizing her chance to ever get a good apprenticeship again. FFS, she's a 15 year old that made that comment to her friends(!) on FB, not in public, and even if the teacher had access to the comment because someone showed it to her that's the worst reason ever to cancel her appr. contract. That is just PC gone insane, hence the groan.
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:38
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But in this case is the girls still in school. It was the teacher/the school who informed the future employer... and who then in turn cancelled her contract.
seems so, I would agree on academic repercussions, but to cancel the apprenticeship . that's a little bit over the top
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:41
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Translation from the source: Tanja commented a picture of a wooden box with the words "Teacher/Mrs. H. surely wouldn't fit in that box with her ass".
That girl lost her apprenticeship for that and now has to do another year at school for this comment, minimizing her chance to ever get a good apprenticeship again. FFS, she's a 15 year old that made that comment to her friends(!) on FB, not in public, and even if the teacher had access to the comment because someone showed it to her that's the worst reason ever to cancel her appr. contract. That is just PC gone insane, hence the groan.
And on top of that: Before they can decide that this post was in fact defamatory - don't they have to establish the facts and check weather or not Mrs H. ass does fit into the box?
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:42
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I don't find it humorous at all, and not because I teach myself. I would have hated to read that about colleagues, friends or students. In fact, kids are not let making disrespectful comments about eachother and profs in the class at all, nor on school ground. If they want to do it outside of the class, then they are entirely responsible for what happens afterwards. I say, real life will teach you about respect more than some lecturing, but real also means you might be treated harsher than at school, which is still a training ground.
I find school nowadays is chastising too much impertinence. I am not defending physical violence, I am just saying that expressing through words some impudence or impertinence is healthy for young people and their creativity. I am sure a lot of great artist showed when young a lot of impertinence. It's for the artist/creative student what a megaphone is to a demonstrator.
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:53
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I find school nowadays is chastising too much impertinence. I am not defending physical violence, I am just saying that expressing through words some impudence or impertinence is healthy for young people and their creativity. I am sure a lot of great artist showed when young a lot of impertinence. It's for the artist/creative student what a megaphone is to a demonstrator.
Absolutely. And it is up to their employer to judge how appropriate the megaphone is for the role that apprentie is supposed to represent. All artists go through this. By the way, I do not consider personal attacks any form of art. I think to do something like this is actually cowardly.

Apprentissage gets granted on quite a sophisticated system of evaluation. If somebody reported this, it might have knocked down the professional performance of that student in their school, where correct behavior makes up some percentage of the grade. Even if student's future employer took that student in, despite of this, the system might not have allowed it, based on the behavior grade. If this student aggressed a prof, in privacy, not even on school's premises, the behavior grade would still get affected. Apprentisage for offices, high profile cantonal places, commune sectors, etc. are granted to students with best both academic and non academic performance at school. We just forget that the non academic performance counts as well, and I think it is a great thing.

Edit - even if it was made semi public, I think it is still considered public, in some ways. I know it is difficult to grasp, but voila.
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Old 10.06.2011, 15:57
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I know for a fact that when you are going trough a separation, the first thing lawyers do is a fb background search. So im not surprised about the girl. In mexico there have been teenagers kidnapped and killed about an aplication that shows where you are. Facebook in mexico has gone from a cool aplication to a dangerous one.
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We just forget that the non academic performance counts as well, and I think it is a great thing.
Yeah, right up to the point where expressing an opinion might make you unsuitable for any employer... I think you have already experience of such a system, no?
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By the way, I do not consider personal attacks any form of art. I think to do something like this is actually cowardly (...)
Satire as literary genre with wit, irony and sarcasm is full of personal attacks.
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seems so, I would agree on academic repercussions, but to cancel the apprenticeship . that's a little bit over the top

It does sound harsh---but it is a very good life lesson.

Having worked with HR, when a certain entry level position is open there's usually a stack of a few hundred resumes.

The first few cuts are very basic and crude. Font, general appearence, paper cut etc.

Yeah you might lose a few good candidates, but it's a matter of time management.

Long story short, if you're not a nice person to everyone, and don't conduct every aspect of your life and friends in a positive decent manner--there's always a chance one small slip-up could ruin you (or just send you in a different path )

that being said, I'm sure there's hundreds of 'smoking guns' from myself scattered across the interweb....just been lucky so far
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Old 10.06.2011, 16:06
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Yeah, right up to the point where expressing an opinion might make you unsuitable for any employer... I think you have already experience of such a system, no?
Well, I think it is of course a matter of the details.

I had once an interview at a famous, high level international job agency in Zurich. I obviously google before the names of the people I met and I found some very funny pictures of the headhunter I met... I think yes, that some things you do in your private life do have an impact on your professional life as well. And I think this could include raising some very extreme opinions. I would for example not want an employee of the migration office to write xenophobic blogs in the evenings...

However, this is a pretty harmless comment made not by some seasoned expert with some extreme opinion - this is a fairly normal comment made by a teenager.

Or to put it differently: Who did not talk like this about their teachers? I for sure did and I am sure if I was born 15 years later, I would post it on FB. From my personal view should the student that informed the teacher get a totally different lesson for life...
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Apprentissage gets granted on quite a sophisticated system of evaluation. If somebody reported this, it might have knocked down the professional performance of that student in their school, where correct behavior makes up some percentage of the grade. Even if student's future employer took that student in, despite of this, the system might not have allowed it, based on the behavior grade. If this student aggressed a prof, in privacy, not even on school's premises, the behavior grade would still get affected. Apprentisage for offices, high profile cantonal places, commune sectors, etc. are granted to students with best both academic and non academic performance at school. We just forget that the non academic performance counts as well, and I think it is a great thing.
Actually an employer can grant an apprentisage to anybody he likes regardless to the persons grades. Tough it's in the employer's interest to chose somebody who is academically fit to finnish the apprentisage.
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Font, general appearence, paper cut etc.
You have got to be kidding !!!

Is there a preferred font ? Arial ? Comic Sans ?
And paper cut ? What does that mean ?

I am sure some tips would help others on the forum who are looking for jobs.
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Yeah, right up to the point where expressing an opinion might make you unsuitable for any employer... I think you have already experience of such a system, no?
Internet is not a safe thing. Kids know it and are well instructed about this here. Expressing a negative opinion on your direct supervisor's physical traits haven't gotten anybody a job, no matter what political system we are talking about
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Totally over the top in my opinion.

15 year olds do silly things. Punish her as a 15 year old silly girl.

Someone says you have a big ass? Good grief, get over it.

This woman has potentially cost the girl thousands of CHF - she's definitely lost her a year's salary.
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Excessively harsh I say.

I would have thought a stern warning would have suffice. To lose her apprenticeship contract really is OTT and doing an additional year in school for this comment is seriously crazy. Think of the impact it will have on her self esteem and worth.

Yes, she needs to understand the consequences but she is 15, not 25 - which one of us at 15 years old didnt make similar silly comments about teachers/people we didnt like?

If it came from a 25 year old employee, then yes, fire her because its highly unprofessional and should really engage her brains before posting such comments. But for a 15 year old who hasnt entered the work force and still a happy go lucky teenager, no doubt with a rather bitchy streak, other measures can be taken to make sure she learns that such mean words/thoughtless actions will have consequences.
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It does sound harsh---but it is a very good life lesson.

Having worked with HR, when a certain entry level position is open there's usually a stack of a few hundred resumes.

The first few cuts are very basic and crude. Font, general appearence, paper cut etc.

Yeah you might lose a few good candidates, but it's a matter of time management.

Long story short, if you're not a nice person to everyone, and don't conduct every aspect of your life and friends in a positive decent manner--there's always a chance one small slip-up could ruin you (or just send you in a different path )

that being said, I'm sure there's hundreds of 'smoking guns' from myself scattered across the interweb....just been lucky so far
One article mentioned that she got the job after several rounds of interviews against 150 applicants! Not giving her a job based on something is one thing. Making a contract, signing it and cancelling it later on - when it is too late to find another place for an apprenticeship for the same year - is something entirely different.
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You have got to be kidding !!!

Is there a preferred font ? Arial ? Comic Sans ?
And paper cut ? What does that mean ?

I am sure some tips would help others on the forum who are looking for jobs.

not arial, garbage right away.

Paper cut ---generally means, if you pick up a resume, and it doesn't feel right, it's garbage. Whether it be stapled, one cheap paper, pages stuck together etc.

Kinda means if the sorter picks up a resume and get's a paper cut, they get pissed off, and tosses that resume into the trash.

Dog eat dog world unfortunately
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Totally over the top in my opinion.

15 year olds do silly things. Punish her as a 15 year old silly girl.

Someone says you have a big ass? Good grief, get over it.

This woman has potentially cost the girl thousands of CHF - she's definitely lost her a year's salary.
I get to use my favorite word...

YEIN.

Agreed the comment was mostly harmless and the repercussion was too severe.
But she is not really a little kid. As a 15 year old, she would be expected to know better. Given what she did was not so bad, but still. She was going to start at her first job. And, not that she would have known, she should have been a little bit more careful. Or cleaned up her FB.
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Actually an employer can grant an apprentisage to anybody he likes regardless to the persons grades. Tough it's in the employer's interest to chose somebody who is academically fit to finnish the apprentisage.
Not the evaluation we are working with. If an employer requires a decent leaving certificate and this has been denied to the student based on his/her either academic performance or behavior (and other about 20 criteria), then tough tittie. That employer would have to justify why this specific apprentie has been accepted despite of not having a certif (exceptions are done, of course, it depends on what business it is, but as said before, cantonal offices require good grades good attitude reports, professional mindset and behavior, plus, often extra batteries of skills exams, etc etc).

FB gone sour, that's life. Apprentissage at 15 is a sweet thing, but this student has a fair chance to straighten up and a couple of years to find something else.
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One article mentioned that she got the job after several rounds of interviews against 150 applicants! Not giving her a job based on something is one thing. Making a contract, signing it and cancelling it later on - when it is too late to find another place for an apprenticeship for the same year - is something entirely different.

fair enough--I didn't read that.

Not sure about the laws here, but if she has a signed contract (or even offer) in Canada, I'm fairly sure she's got quite the legal power in her hands to keep the job or get compensation of some sort unless she really fckd up!

Oh damn I used 'fckd' online, there goes my next job

Oh no, I used 'damn' --I'll be unemployed for life.
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