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thats tame compared to what some teenagers post on their/friends wall! i taught alot of teenagers back home and some of the things they would say on fb would seriously shock me!! im only 24 and i felt like a right old lady giving out to them! i had to pull a few aside and advise them on removing some of their pictures and comments, once i explained why they should remove them they understood, and i rarely saw such behaviour from those students again. Young people need to be advised on the consequences no matter how harmless they think they are. I always tried to get this across to the Girls and Boys i taught and thank god they listened to me!
That's what education is all about, what the employer have done to this poor girl is totally the contrary of education, it's just abuse of power and authority on no legal ground, what is expected from her to be in the future after that, to be socially offended psychopathic brain washed slave to the system?
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Old 10.06.2011, 20:49
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Heheh.. that was the point. Maybe it was a little bit too subtle but read it again.
Too subtle for me too...

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Maybe the PR people at the Parish Offices where she was going to work got cold feet.
When would her apprenticeship have started? In just a couple of months? If she thinks this behaviour is Ok at fifteen, is she going to change her ideas so completely at sixteen? Who will be held responsible if she lets out confidential information from the parish? The Politically Correct could be in for a field day.

If the parish council are worried that she might not be discreet enough, better now than with burned fingers in three months time.


The lass is still young. Quite a few school-leavers do a 10th school year or a motivation course to see what their leanings are and have a better chance of a good appreciticeship place the following year. It is not really the end of the world for her and let's hope she realises that however unfair she feels she has been treated, there are ways to avoid such situations in the future.
If they had concerns that she might not be discreet or know how to handle confidential information then they should talk to her about it explaining what she can and can not do. Not fire her for something they think she might do!
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Too subtle for me too...
I read it as a parody.
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Poor kiddo.... feel bad for her.
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Old 10.06.2011, 21:17
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I'd worry that she might have a slightly different interpretation of the words private and confidential from mine. I'm not saying it is so, I'd just be worried that it might be my head on the charger if anything went wrong.
I wouldn't regard the size of her teacher's backside as confidential info (however unpolite it is to comment about it on her facebook page) and therefore don't see why she can't be trusted with delicate infos and think the punishment is too harsh. Her 'friend' who showed that comment to the teacher however would never get on my staff list. He/ She is the one who can't be trusted with confidential information imo.
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I read it as a parody.
I can't be sure. Too subtle for me.
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Old 11.06.2011, 09:53
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I do feel bad for the student, too, I surely do. I also feel bad for any other students paying for their misconduct, and bearing the consequences. I also see that sometimes what seems like overly strict measures in the long span creates the desired outcome much faster. And actually have over 17yrs of experiences, so yeah, I am old in this. Feeling sympathy has noting to do with giving that kiddo what she probably knew could have gone wrong. And according to the system here, kids know this, they are warned, they are very well educated about this here, and they know their consequences if they overstep. And they are explicitly told, even with strict security settings, internet leaks. Use your best judgment. I see this as very positive, compared to what we have been told about internet, and it seems to me we are still looking at this with our own teen experiences and era setting. The only way kids will learn about this, is to stick to the consequences. It's actually protecting them in the long run. Harsh it may seen. She still has a good chance in 10th grade to find herself a nice apprentisage, letters of explanation can be written, she will perform the best she can and actually score an extra Certif to go hunt her apprentissage with, more knowledge, more chances for more skill assessment tests (with higher scores), more good grades in general subjects, higher level of linguistic aptitude of chosen languages, more good reports. If she sticks to the contract that is, that one signs upon entering 10th grade. I have a feeling she will.

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When I was 16 I asked my favorite teacher why she was being such a bitch. Ok, it was only in front of about 10 people but still.

I could tell by the look on her face that I had gone over the line & that I hurt her feelings. I still feel bad about it xx years later*. And I learned my lesson.
If you said something like this to me in the class, I would have to suspend, report, etc. If it is in the class, you have others to witness, you have to stick to the guns. If it is on an FB selected privacy setting, you still have witnesses.

If you were repetitive offender, and told me some more of lovely things you would later on feel sorry for, the consequences would be hasher, the grade that makes up the behavior, attitude, cooperation, willingness, positives in learning outside of the academics, would be lowered, if you repeated the actions, to the level of not getting your Certif. All good schools function like this. Schools do not exist for merely academic content. The nicest apprenstissages come with selecting conditions, Certif is one of them.

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thats tame compared to what some teenagers post on their/friends wall! i taught alot of teenagers back home and some of the things they would say on fb would seriously shock me!! im only 24 and i felt like a right old lady giving out to them! i had to pull a few aside and advise them on removing some of their pictures and comments, once i explained why they should remove them they understood, and i rarely saw such behaviour from those students again. Young people need to be advised on the consequences no matter how harmless they think they are. I always tried to get this across to the Girls and Boys i taught and thank god they listened to me!
I do that too, and it works very well, even with the challenging kids we might have. Yet you still find kids who don't listen, of course, that's what makes them kids. I am very impressed with how professionally the education on Internet security/civility/safety is done in my area. The excuse "she was just being a kid" or "didn't know better" will not fly in cases like these, the Gemeinde/Commune had to do what they had to do.
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Sounds like this girl's teacher needs to HTFU.
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Old 11.06.2011, 10:12
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Yeah. Or get off the FB, I know why I don't bother with it.
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Old 11.06.2011, 10:19
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Re: 15 yr old makes a Facebook comment, loses job...

What if the teacher really had a big derrière and dreamt nightmares about it? Rude comment on the girl's part who will have to be punished. Not good enough argument, I would say, to deprive a teenage girl of furthering her career. Why didn't she write retort comment on girl's FB instead without touching her professional sphere. Some people are insane and insecure, I guess.

On the other hand, bear in mind that venting and abusive comments on your beloved cyberspace in form of retaliation might actually get you in more trouble. Think twice, I know it is a moment of satisfaction and sweet revenge, but there always be someone who doesn't have levelled mind and may use it against you. Some recruiting companies might also check your profile so be vigilant what and how you write there.

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The groans i got just proved me right, some people didn't like what i said and i totally respect that and respect their point of view, if i know any of your employers well and your boss is a very good friend of mine, should i have any right to contact them and get you fired for groaning or commenting back at me???....guess the answer is surely not.
Your argument has one flaw: This is an an anonymous forum. There are no names mentioned. Facebook deals specifically with names and faces. Once a status has been posted, it stays forever in internet and you have no control who sees it or not.

I would never post some of the stuff I've posted here on my facebook account.
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The groans i got just proved me right, some people didn't like what i said and i totally respect that and respect their point of view, if i know any of your employers well and your boss is a very good friend of mine, should i have any right to contact them and get you fired for groaning or commenting back at me???....guess the answer is surely not.
I'm tempted to give you his number. My posts are certainly nothing to be ashamed of (unless you're one of those butterfly huggers), and he's not exactly the PC sort himself.

You should understand that having an opinion is one thing; sharing that opinion in different mediums will have different consequences, from now until eternity. Post a poorly thought-out argument and my opinion of you will go down, perhaps to the point of not wanting to hire you because you appear incapable of logically debating an issue. Post a personal attack on me, and I might choose not to hire you because I don't like being made fun of. Post an attack on someone I know, and if I'm the sensitive sort, I may decide not to hire you in the expectation that you'll later make fun of me in a public and permanent medium as well.

Why? Because I'm human. So is everyone else who employs someone. These people aren't robots; they have opinions, make rational and irrational judgments, and sometimes act on emotions the same as anyone else. This kid, and others like her, simply need to learn that little lesson, after which she'll find herself much better prepared for life.
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If you said something like this to me in the class, I would have to suspend, report, etc. If it is in the class, you have others to witness, you have to stick to the guns. If it is on an FB selected privacy setting, you still have witnesses.
No doubt I got away with murder as they say. What I said was WAY worse than what this girl did. But TBH, your "powers" would have been quite limited to school related issues, school functions, school sports, etc. And ultimately there is no way you could have made me repeat a year.


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If you were repetitive offender, and told me some more of lovely things you would later on feel sorry for, the consequences would be hasher, the grade that makes up the behavior, attitude, cooperation, willingness, positives in learning outside of the academics, would be lowered, if you repeated the actions, to the level of not getting your Certif. All good schools function like this. Schools do not exist for merely academic content. The nicest apprenstissages come with selecting conditions, Certif is one of them.
Still you could only make my life miserable in school and only if I were a repeat offender and repeatedly disruptive to the class. Even then if my grades were good, as they were, and even as a repeat offender you couldn't make me redo the year or not graduate.

You could probably have made me miss prom (OMG, no... said sarcastically). They LOVE to ban people from the prom.

Now I'm going to see if that teacher is on facebook! That would be fun.
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Old 11.06.2011, 18:49
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No doubt I got away with murder as they say. What I said was WAY worse than what this girl did. But TBH, your "powers" would have been quite limited to school related issues, school functions, school sports, etc. And ultimately there is no way you could have made me repeat a year.
Times are changing, quite a lot. I am not saying I am all for super tight system, in fact I am usually on the side of super reasonable consequences, but adequate, related and fast. Now, there is a lovely and fat exception, and that is internet safety/privacy/etc. Kids gota learn. If you do not know how to operate FB in order for your wall to stay private private, then you don't have one. Now, one kid learned, that even with private settings, things still leak. Very real. The teacher didn't seem to cross over into out of the school sphere. FB is accessed and used, even in schools. Whole classes are on it, kids do projects together, etc. See? Times are changing...if we do not push kids for safety, or parents, or both, it is unlikely for some kids to actually get it. I do not think it is likely to change anytime soon.

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The teacher you called that ugly thing? You feel like sharing with her what you share with us? I think it is a good idea, she might have given you poorer credit than you deserve after that. I would have felt pretty bad calling my teachers bitches. No matter how I personally viewed them
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Times are changing, quite a lot. I am not saying I am all for super tight system, in fact I am usually on the side of super reasonable consequences, but adequate, related and fast. Now, there is a lovely and fat exception, and that is internet safety/privacy/etc. Kids gota learn. If you do not know how to operate FB in order for your wall to stay private private, then you don't have one. Now, one kid learned, that even with private settings, things still leak. Very real. The teacher didn't seem to cross over into out of the school sphere. FB is accessed and used, even in schools. Whole classes are on it, kids do projects together, etc. See? Times are changing...if we do not push kids for safety, or parents, or both, it is unlikely for some kids to actually get it. I do not think it is likely to change anytime soon.
Of course kids gota learn but as I said, IMO they went about it the wrong way and they overstepped the bounds of what are acceptable consequences of her actions. IE, the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.

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The teacher you called that ugly thing? You feel like sharing with her what you share with us? I think it is a good idea, she might have given you poorer credit than you deserve after that. I would have felt pretty bad calling my teachers bitches. No matter how I personally viewed them
Maybe it wasn't clear from what I posted way back. I said it to her. I asked her, literally, "Why are you being such a bitch?". I also wrote that I DID feel bad saying it. She was one of my (well most of our) favorite teachers and clearly I crossed the line treating her in a familiar/casual manner that was not acceptable. Even without specific sanctions I learned not to do that again.

Again, there should be consequences for what the 15 yr old did but I believe what happened in this case was far too harsh for what that girl said.
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A friend of mine got fired from his job because of his profile picture on FB he his gay and was holding a banana ( he was joking around like always) someone told his employers. He is such a great guy did not deserve to be fired
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A friend of mine got fired from his job because of his profile picture on FB he his gay and was holding a banana ( he was joking around like always) someone told his employers.



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Have always been amazed at the power teachers have in Switzerland. One of my son's teachers in his last year at school threatened to tell the prospective employer of one of his class mates what an awful boy he was and to cause him to lose his apprenticeship. I also worked with a young girl for some time who actullay DID lose her first apprenticeship because the teacher advised the employer not to take her on.

Am of the opinion school matters should be dealt with in school and teachers should NOT be allowed to infuence future employers in this manner.

Teachers are sometimes guilty of a misuse of their power
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