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Yes, Ivan the rapist thing... I find it amusing how people, at times, seem to stand up for a certain group and, the same time, point a finger to another. I cannot get it. Either we agree the negative perception and opinion we exibit on public forums is wrong for all people, or we better restrain from commenting.
So discussing a complex topic from all angles is not an option? I either have to buy the SVP crap totally or close my eyes completely?
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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

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Do you honestly believe m_dalloway s comment falls into the "discussing a complex topic from all angles" category? Have a look.
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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

yes, rather complex topic; though Treverus I think you may have nailed the possible source of such a disparity - and that is the possibility of integration. If the possibility of integrating fully into the society (without being isolated work or socially-wise) is not given, the result will be violent and unhappy sub-population.

The integration problem is all-encompassing; and it does not relate only to Swiss hosts; it very much relates to immigrant population as well. Different language, perception (on both sides); and no coordinated integration program from the state are not helping, either.

However, I can't imagine the referendum where people vote on 'creating program for helping immigrants becoming part of Swiss society'. It won't happen soon.
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Do you honestly believe m_dalloway s comment falls into the "discussing a complex topic from all angles" category? Have a look.
Ok, misunderstood your comment.
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It looks more like that Switzerland manages to attract a lot of the "easier to integrate" people while France or Germany were a bit less successful at choosing who they accepted.
Spot on.

I also assume though that the problems are caused due to Germany and France are more liberal societies than CH, as there isn't that much pressure to integrate as in more conservative and strict Switzerland.

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According to the Bundesamt für Statistik are residents from the former Serbien-Montenegro 3.1 times more likely to become criminals than Swiss.
Those crimes are not burglary, theft, robbary etc.
They are crimes due to a more patriarchic society, like domestic violence and other 'Besa' related crimes.
(I don't have the statistics at hand, but if you google for 'Polizeibericht' or similar, you may find the back up data.)

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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

I long for the day when those Yugo discussions are gonna come to an end.
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Now, I wonder whether a perceived Swiss attitude towards "Yugos" is based on reality or media manipulation? It is clear from the report that Yugos are indeed coming from the region that is much more peaceful and law-abiding than Western Europe. The level of violence in S.E. Europe is considerably lower than in Western Europe. Then how come that Yugos, Kosovars etc are perceived as tough, violent, crime-inclined immigrants?

Is it only media manipulation? Or is it so that somehow statistically average Western European, when migrating to Switzerland, suddenly reduce own criminal activities (statistically speaking); while average Eastern European finally finds a fertile ground for own, at-homeland-inhibited criminal activities? Because apparently S.E. European is 15 times less likely to engage in robbery, 2 times less likely to be a burglar, etc.
A) as I did not fake the statistics you mentioned myself I do not believe them

B) the "Swiss attitude towards the ex-Yugos" is based on things like an aggressive and very speedy and undisciplined driving style of many "ex-Yugos". Let's be clear, Arabs, Italians, Turks and others also love speedy driving and are not into too much discipline, but none of those folks have that aggressiveness which became the hallmark of "ex-Yugos" in Switzerland

C) you start with ex-Yugoslavia and then suddenly speak about Eastern Europe. BUT nobody in Switzerland is opposed to Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgars or Greeks

D) Young people from Eastern Europe (excl ex YU), the Mediterranean, Africa, Asia when speaking Swiss German, particularily when having grown up here speak a real Swiss German, while quite many ex-YU youngsters grown up here, speak "Balkanese" with CH-German words

D-2) I mean to hear 15 years olds speaking and saying every 2nd minute MMANNN sounds a bit embarassing

E) that a majority of all heavy drugs arriving on the CH market arrive via ex-YU, and that some 50% of the "couriers" are from ex-YU and Albania is a proven fact. That the chaps behind the whole things enjoy live in their villas on the ZH goldcoast can only be assumed but usually not proven, unfortunately.

F) ex-YUgos are involved in violence to an extent which by far exceeds their share of the resident population

F-2) you now may ask WHY the discrepancy between the statistics you mentioned and such statisticsx and realities here ? A) would crimes be reported in ex-YU in the same ways as in CH, you had to quadruple all your figures B) many ex-YUgos in CH feel frustrated and feel discriminated, the second point only too often being true (what was first, the egg or the hen ? ) C) for many young ex-YUgos, the discrepancy between their surroundings outside and their traditional families is embarassing and depressing

G) "Media manipulationW" ??? What do you mean by that rather extreme accusation ??? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are xenophobes ? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are in a conspiracy against the folks from ex-YU ? Can you prove your underlying but very clear accusations ??
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Old 23.06.2011, 22:44
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A Kosovar acquaintance more or less told me the same thing. A lot of the wee shites were basically told to leave their own country, or else.
This is complete rubbish. According to a fairly high ranking police officer I know the difference in "crime-rates" are about 0.002 and 0.010 % of the people in question.

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Insightful info, Wolli, thanks.

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A) as I did not fake the statistics you mentioned myself I do not believe them
the statistics in the report is true (presumably). What stems from it is not whether it is accurate, but the fact that Balkan, and South East Europe, crime-wise is more peaceful than W. Europe.

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B) the "Swiss attitude towards the ex-Yugos" is based on things like an aggressive and very speedy and undisciplined driving style of many "ex-Yugos". Let's be clear, Arabs, Italians, Turks and others also love speedy driving and are not into too much discipline, but none of those folks have that aggressiveness which became the hallmark of "ex-Yugos" in Switzerland
OK, got the point.

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F) ex-YUgos are involved in violence to an extent which by far exceeds their share of the resident population
and this also, which is in a way another form of aggressiveness. Perceived or real; but it is apparently real in average-Swiss-person-mind.

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F-2) you now may ask WHY the discrepancy between the statistics you mentioned and such statisticsx and realities here ? A) would crimes be reported in ex-YU in the same ways as in CH, you had to quadruple all your figures B) many ex-YUgos in CH feel frustrated and feel discriminated, the second point only too often being true (what was first, the egg or the hen ? )
And again "LaHaine" movie comes to mind. Aggressiveness as a consequence of ghettoization; or inability to be included in the society. I find it hard to believe that 2nd generation, living all their lives here in CH, is unable to speak local language. Where would they learn Balkan-Deutsch, if not in ghetto?

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G) "Media manipulationW" ??? What do you mean by that rather extreme accusation ??? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are xenophobes ? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are in a conspiracy against the folks from ex-YU ? Can you prove your underlying but very clear accusations ??
Nah, not that extreme. I am sure that government and mainstream media would not engage in anything like that. However, I find media campaign of SVP very heavy, and Ivan the Rapist the prime example of such media usage. Is it a manipulation to utilize average voter's fear to own advantage? Perhaps it is fair play, and we've discussed SVP campaign ad nauseum. I find Ivan the Rapist posters a serious use of media (advertisement) to manipulate people's perception for own benefit.
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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

many of you don't know anything about Balkans. The differences on Balkan are so big, so speaking about Balkans in general makes no sense.

We had soft communism in Yugoslavia. We could travel everywhere, and that wasn't the case with other communist countries in Europe, such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, etc.. (they couldn't travel so easily)

After the ww2, Josip Broz Tito signed contracts with Germany, allowing people from Yugoslavia to go to work in Germany. Because we could move freely, many of Yugoslavs settled in Switzerland too.

But the majority of people who went abroad were peasants and manual workers. If you had no school, no knowledge, no money, no nothing, you would go to Germany, Austria or Switzerland.

Percentage of doctors, attorneys, engineers was so small, because they had good life in Yugoslavia.


So we had a lot of poorly educated people with their customs brought along, doing manual work.

Not very intelligent population doing the worst jobs. Do I need to continue?

English people for instance come here as job specialists. I don't know anyone from UK or America working here as cleaner or something similar.
So you can't compare Yugos here and other "high skilled" nations.
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A) as I did not fake the statistics you mentioned myself I do not believe them

B) the "Swiss attitude towards the ex-Yugos" is based on things like an aggressive and very speedy and undisciplined driving style of many "ex-Yugos". Let's be clear, Arabs, Italians, Turks and others also love speedy driving and are not into too much discipline, but none of those folks have that aggressiveness which became the hallmark of "ex-Yugos" in Switzerland

C) you start with ex-Yugoslavia and then suddenly speak about Eastern Europe. BUT nobody in Switzerland is opposed to Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Bulgars or Greeks

D) Young people from Eastern Europe (excl ex YU), the Mediterranean, Africa, Asia when speaking Swiss German, particularily when having grown up here speak a real Swiss German, while quite many ex-YU youngsters grown up here, speak "Balkanese" with CH-German words
this is the biggest bullshit I've ever read on this forum. Ex Yu youngsters speak German perfectly. I could bet you wouldn't know the difference between them and young swiss.
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this is the biggest bullshit I've ever read on this forum. Ex Yu youngsters speak German perfectly. I could bet you wouldn't know the difference between them and young swiss.
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I clearly KNOW that many of those YU youngster WOULD be able, and a big part of them, possibly a clear majority, DO speak CH-German as well as any Ch of CH- origin. That they tend not to do so is regrettable, as it damages their image. And your "wouldn't" term is the far worst bullshit ever, as the young ex-Yugos in Glattbrugg are almost 50% of all youngsters. You might get a look of realities as they are and stop day-dreaming / thanks



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and this also, which is in a way another form of aggressiveness. Perceived or real; but it is apparently real in average-Swiss-person-mind.

>>> this statement is based on statistics of the Swiss Federal Ministry of Justice and Police, whose statistics generally are correct


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F-2) you now may ask WHY the discrepancy between the statistics you mentioned and such statisticsx and realities here ? A) would crimes be reported in ex-YU in the same ways as in CH, you had to quadruple all your figures B) many ex-YUgos in CH feel frustrated and feel discriminated, the second point only too often being true (what was first, the egg or the hen ? )




And again "LaHaine" movie comes to mind. Aggressiveness as a consequence of ghettoization; or inability to be included in the society. I find it hard to believe that 2nd generation, living all their lives here in CH, is unable to speak local language. Where would they learn Balkan-Deutsch, if not in ghetto?
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G) "Media manipulationW" ??? What do you mean by that rather extreme accusation ??? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are xenophobes ? Do you want to say that CH-journalists are in a conspiracy against the folks from ex-YU ? Can you prove your underlying but very clear accusations ??




Nah, not that extreme. I am sure that government and mainstream media would not engage in anything like that. However, I find media campaign of SVP very heavy, and Ivan the Rapist the prime example of such media usage. Is it a manipulation to utilize average voter's fear to own advantage? Perhaps it is fair play, and we've discussed SVP campaign ad nauseum. I find Ivan the Rapist posters a serious use of media (advertisement) to manipulate people's perception for own benefit.

>>> But the SVP campaign was NOT in the media, as the SVP only controls Weltwoche. And "Ivan the Rapist" was NOT in the media at all. It was in use with the adverts (posters on billboards) in public, but neither in newspapers or news magazines or on TV or radio. NZZ is FDP and the rest of the media is from the FDP leftwards. It can be stated that the media was clearly AGAINST those SVP campaigns.
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and this also, which is in a way another form of aggressiveness. Perceived or real; but it is apparently real in average-Swiss-person-mind.
Sorry, what?
Do you know anything about 'the Swiss', and their close ties with the Balkans?

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And again "LaHaine" movie comes to mind. Aggressiveness as a consequence of ghettoization; or inability to be included in the society. I find it hard to believe that 2nd generation, living all their lives here in CH, is unable to speak local language. Where would they learn Balkan-Deutsch, if not in ghetto?
You live in Basel, a city with one of the biggest balkan diaspora.
Where is there any ghetto, like in your gangsta movie La Haine?

(And don't say Kleinbasel, I grew up there in the deepest parts, it's not a ghetto.)


I am getting the impression you opened this thread to spread your own prejudices against a well integrated and liked immigrant group?
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many of you don't know anything about Balkans. The differences on Balkan are so big, so speaking about Balkans in general makes no sense.

We had soft communism in Yugoslavia. We could travel everywhere, and that wasn't the case with other communist countries in Europe, such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, etc.. (they couldn't travel so easily)

After the ww2, Josip Broz Tito signed contracts with Germany, allowing people from Yugoslavia to go to work in Germany. Because we could move freely, many of Yugoslavs settled in Switzerland too.

But the majority of people who went abroad were peasants and manual workers. If you had no school, no knowledge, no money, no nothing, you would go to Germany, Austria or Switzerland.

Percentage of doctors, attorneys, engineers was so small, because they had good life in Yugoslavia.


So we had a lot of poorly educated people with their customs brought along, doing manual work.

Not very intelligent population doing the worst jobs. Do I need to continue?

English people for instance come here as job specialists. I don't know anyone from UK or America working here as cleaner or something similar.
So you can't compare Yugos here and other "high skilled" nations.

No you rather should abstain from continuing. These immigrants might not have been the top in regard to education and intelligence but quite many of them were the cream of the cream of people ready to do something different. And mostly did acceptable to good work. True, as other folks from the Med, they had to take work lower down on the social ladder and could not get into bank-related IT jobs but often did work THIS country here really needed to be done
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Why is it that each country has it’s own ‘bad immigrant’ group who is targeted this way? Think about it. Who is the ‘bad one’ where you come from? I think it’s nonsense and we as foreigners/immigrants/expats (or whatever you like to call it - because it all the same to me) in this country should not contribute to this.
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Why is it that each country has it’s own ‘bad immigrant’ group who is targeted this way? Think about it. Who is the ‘bad one’ where you come from? I think it’s nonsense and we as foreigners/immigrants/expats (or whatever you like to call it - because it all the same to me) in this country should not contribute to this.
It is NOT that way. Let's take Switzerland. I recently spoke with an Italian here and we remembered the times when people from Italy (etc) were THE bad immigrants (too loud, lacking discipline, having too dark and too curly hair, laughing too much, not taking things seriously enough). The next ones to become "THE undesirables then were Spaniards and Greeks, replaced by the Tamils, but also they got replaced swiftly by the ex-Yugos.

But go to outlets of Migros and Coop. The "ex-Yugos" very often no longer are at "the bottom" but in charge of "real" jobs. Go into the WEBsite of Coop and checik their outlets for the "Filial-Leiter". Amazing to see how many ex-Yugos can be found !

Sure, you may be correct that any society always needs a "Feindbild" and worse of course is that right-wing parties will always use such things for their programs.

You may refer to the (African) Blacks. But I admire those blacks here around, and there are far more in Glattbrugg by percentage than in Zürich-2 and Adliswil, how well, at least the younger ones, adapt and integrate very well indeed, and are, by most people, nicely accepted. No doubt, I think, each of them had/has to make ugly experiences as racism is one of the worst plagues of mankind. But their ability to adapt is remarkable and needs to be praised.

Look at the Tamils. When they arrived, all the xenophobes and many normally normal people were united against them. But with their friendly ways and their readiness and ability to do good work, they within a few years overcame the hurdles.

Again, a certain heap of xenophobe will always be against whomever was not between the Rhine and the Alps before 1291, but in general, there is reason for optimism in spite of such things.
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I wanted to take some vacation in the Balkans because I just want to see this part of Europe...I'm gonna just drop in there for a couple of weeks and hang out in as many countries as possible, as I really want to get to know the varied cultures there, even in a small way.

The looks and advice I get from western Europeans when I tell them my plans are priceless. One of my Italian coworkers told me that sometimes people return from the Balkan states minus fingers or hands...

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Well at least the Yugos here can speak some German, no matter what it sounds like. Most of the people who come to work here (expats) don't even bother to try and learn German.
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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

Swiss got spoiled with the foreigners, Switzerland got one of lowest employment rate in the world, there are no real "ghettos", yes there are "problems" with some groups of foreigners, but swiss themselves failed to integrate foreigners into the swiss society, they just wanted easy and cheap workers without thinking of the consequences...so if SVP has to "blame" somebody, blame it on the market and yourself and leave us foreigners alone...

Many of the x-Yugoslavians escaped from war and misery, yes the younger generation was born here, but their parents went through hell...I don't say that there are any excuse that people commit crime and violence, but I have more understanding if somebody how saw his village got murdered than some spoiled swiss brats from the goldcoast going to germany and beat up people half to death for fun...
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Re: South East Europeans in Switzerland

by the way just remember that to call people 'serbian' is a little off the truth. Kosovo was part of serbia so the 'kosovons' or whatever they are called had or have serbian passports. Funny how most 'serbian' criminals have albanian names. Just a point as I think that people misinterpret the crime statistics and include the serbs in these 'criminals' when in fact they appear to me to be nearly always 'albanian'. Doesnt mean the Albanians are necessarily any more criminal like than other groups but just feel i have to make the point. Thanks
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