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"Blame" for rapid increasement of foreign labour...

Finally somebody else but me who gets "who is to blame" for the rapid increase of foreign labour in Switzerland...

Sorry only in German:
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/wah...-schuld-175455
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Old 26.06.2011, 14:56
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Re: "Blame" for rapid increasement of foreign labour...

Crudely translated to EN here.

Greed of large corporations to be blamed for immigration influx...
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Finally somebody else but me who gets "who is to blame" for the rapid increase of foreign labour in Switzerland...

Sorry only in German:
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/wah...-schuld-175455
Why is this something to blame ?
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Old 26.06.2011, 15:15
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Finally somebody else but me who gets "who is to blame" for the rapid increase of foreign labour in Switzerland...

Sorry only in German:
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/wah...-schuld-175455

Yeah, you're a real genius to finally figure that out.
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Old 26.06.2011, 17:26
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Yeah, you're a real genius to finally figure that out.
not me, but some of the Swiss politicians...e.g. SVP (yes there are some like Peter Spühler who is closer to reality) still blame us the foreigners for everything that is going wrong here, just nice to read that finally some other politician has the balls to tell the truth...of course he will be crucified because it goes against political correctness and people here according to themselves are totally flawless...
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Old 26.06.2011, 18:26
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Re: "Blame" for rapid increasement of foreign labour...

Reading this, I think he touched half of the real problem without blaming foreigners, it partially comes to companies and organizations when we speak about increase of immigration and loss of jobs, that is the most obvious reason.

but on the other hand when digging deeper, there's another 2 problems to consider:
  • Some Swiss are just not willing to take the step forward to learn to the required level demanded by those organizations, which means shortage of the required calibers.
  • Companies and organizations now require all in one person, demanding lots of skills but only 1 person with great experience, this is definitley due to the high cost of living in Switzerland, therefore instead of recruiting 4 persons to work on specialized tasks, they now require 1 person to do a job of all 4 which means vast experience which a fresh graduate or someone in smaller companies won't get here.

I think the best solution instead of pointing fingers is to establish state sponsored / private sector sponsored continuing education and training programs for Swiss people instead of just paying them unemployment and wasting tax payers money.

For example, my ex was lucky to have education course paid by the ORP after she quite her last job due to irregular hours and family issues, 7 months later she got a very good job in an NGO which boosted her career to another level, it all costed them unemployment benefits for 7 months + an additional 10k CHF (3 months worth of an employment benefits).

I'm not against foreigners being one myself (even though i feel much more Swissness in me now ), but recently i have seen the candidates at recruitment agencies while attending interviews, the ratio was 100% foreigners Vs 0% Swiss
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Old 26.06.2011, 18:41
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Re: "Blame" for rapid increasement of foreign labour...

I personally blame these guys...
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Old 26.06.2011, 18:44
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I personally blame these guys...
Fixed that for you

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Re: "Blame" for rapid increasement of foreign labour...

My theory is that folks are looking to move to higher ground, what with global warming and rising oceans and such. At least that my story which makes about as much sense as moving furriners to a country so outlandishly expensive that it makes the Nordics look cheap so as to 'save money' on labour.

There are other tax havens, etc., so I don't get the idea of importing so much cheap labour when you could just set up shop in India or something. This is probably why I'm not an economist though....
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Some Swiss are just not willing to take the step forward to learn to the required level demanded by those organizations, which means shortage of the required calibers.

Companies and organizations now require all in one person, demanding lots of skills but only 1 person with great experience, this is definitley due to the high cost of living in Switzerland, therefore instead of recruiting 4 persons to work on specialized tasks, they now require 1 person to do a job of all 4 which means vast experience which a fresh graduate or someone in smaller companies won't get here.
Where do you get these ideas from ?
This is simply not true at all.
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Reading this, I think he touched half of the real problem without blaming foreigners, it partially comes to companies and organizations when we speak about increase of immigration and loss of jobs, that is the most obvious reason.

but on the other hand when digging deeper, there's another 2 problems to consider:
  • Some Swiss are just not willing to take the step forward to learn to the required level demanded by those organizations, which means shortage of the required calibers.
  • Companies and organizations now require all in one person, demanding lots of skills but only 1 person with great experience, this is definitley due to the high cost of living in Switzerland, therefore instead of recruiting 4 persons to work on specialized tasks, they now require 1 person to do a job of all 4 which means vast experience which a fresh graduate or someone in smaller companies won't get here.

I think the best solution instead of pointing fingers is to establish state sponsored / private sector sponsored continuing education and training programs for Swiss people instead of just paying them unemployment and wasting tax payers money.

For example, my ex was lucky to have education course paid by the ORP after she quite her last job due to irregular hours and family issues, 7 months later she got a very good job in an NGO which boosted her career to another level, it all costed them unemployment benefits for 7 months + an additional 10k CHF (3 months worth of an employment benefits).

I'm not against foreigners being one myself (even though i feel much more Swissness in me now ), but recently i have seen the candidates at recruitment agencies while attending interviews, the ratio was 100% foreigners Vs 0% Swiss

"the ratio was 100% foreigners Vs 0% Swiss "

do you know why? because the swiss are lazy
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do you know why? because the swiss are lazy
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neither, it that matters for you
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Finally somebody else but me who gets "who is to blame" for the rapid increase of foreign labour in Switzerland...

Sorry only in German:
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/wah...-schuld-175455
The article is so fundamentally logically flawed that I do not know where to start... ok, lets start with the FDP: The party lost in the past local elections from Zurich to central Switzerland in unparalleled scale - they are on the steepest downward slope ever. They see that the SVP manages to catch the "less intellectually capable" part of the society with catchy populist statements. "Blame the foreigners" worked extremly well, so did the "Abzocker-Initiative". Counting two and two together, they seem to try "blame those bloody multinational bankers!" What looks like a smart idea hopefully makes their traditionally not mentally handicapped voters respond...

Short example from the article:
"- the multinational companies attract highly educated foreigners because of profit maximisation"
Besides the odd grammar - which is equally odd in German - does this statement make zero sense: If you want to optimize profit, you produce in a low cost country, not attract foreigners to Switzerland. Besides: High educated people aren't cheap. That banks hire them because they don't discriminate (a lot) based on nationality but look for specific education.

The logical message would be: Swiss people, get educated! But that probably does not sell well with Blick readers...
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