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US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

CNN is full of American propagnada but Switzerland please explain..



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Old 28.06.2011, 11:38
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I could imagine the sex workers might cause that.
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Old 28.06.2011, 11:39
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

The US are still pissed about all the tax money hidden by US citizens in CH bank accounts.
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I could imagine the sex workers might cause that.
I would think that too but in that case the Netherlands would be yellow too.. Looks like a list of US friends
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Old 28.06.2011, 11:42
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I could imagine the sex workers might cause that.
Yes, but more specific underage prostitution.
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Old 28.06.2011, 11:43
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

That is quite odd... For once Prostitution is legal here, so no real big reason for white meat traffic as with other blue countries (though no one can really cancel it).

Haven't heard many cases of african "housemaids" being held in covered up slavery here (not more than on the blue countries).

But it does look odd that Switzerland is marked as a Tier 2. Maybe there is a lot that doesn't get to the public. Who knows?
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Old 28.06.2011, 11:43
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

It always depends on your statistical criteria. Switzerland's problems are clearly with 16 year olds involved in prostitution, but as we know, this anomaly will (hopefully) be repealed during the fall session of Parliament.

I wonder what the chart would look like if you added in the US organized rendition flights?

And Nigeria is tier one - right, that law abiding cesspit of human decency and moral values. There goes the credibility factor.....

There would have been an awful lot of red on that chart in the USA 150 years ago......
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It always depends on your statistical criteria. Switzerland's problems are clearly with 16 year olds involved in prostitution, but as we know, this anomaly will (hopefully) be repealed during the fall session of Parliament.

I wonder what the chart would look like if you added in the US organized rendition flights?

And Nigeria is tier one - right, that law abiding cesspit of human decency and moral values. There goes the credibility factor.....

There would have been an awful lot of red on that chart in the USA 150 years ago......
There would have been an awful lot of Red across the whole map
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Old 28.06.2011, 12:02
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

Here's an article by the National Geographic Society about how more slaves exist now than any point in history. Many other sources support this claim.


This site, however, states that basically every country has high levels of slave trade (including CH and USA). Not sure I respect the authority of the site, but food for thought.
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There would have been an awful lot of Red across the whole map
Ah. The good old days.


P.S. Is that Iceland on "Tier Two Watch List"?
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CNN is full of American propagnada but Switzerland please explain..



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Comment from today's newspapers

"The United States has criticised Switzerland again for its record on preventing human trafficking.
In its annual review of international efforts to eliminate sexual slavery and the trade of humans, the State Department also pointed out on Monday that Swiss law does not prohibit prostitution by 16- and 17-year-olds.
US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton estimated that between 1,500 and 3,000 people in Switzerland were affected by human trafficking – most of them women and minors schlepped there to work in the sex trade or as beggars and thieves"
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Comment from today's newspapers

"The United States has criticised Switzerland again for its record on preventing human trafficking.
In its annual review of international efforts to eliminate sexual slavery and the trade of humans, the State Department also pointed out on Monday that Swiss law does not prohibit prostitution by 16- and 17-year-olds.
US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton estimated that between 1,500 and 3,000 people in Switzerland were affected by human trafficking – most of them women and minors schlepped there to work in the sex trade or as beggars and thieves"
So now we can close the thread - you have the definitive reason ...
Anyone is a real position to argue against it?
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Old 28.06.2011, 12:39
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So now we can close the thread - you have the definitive reason ...
Anyone is a real position to argue against it?
Yein.

Which authority prepared this report, or is it just a case of the "US World Police" at play again?



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Old 28.06.2011, 13:03
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

For those interested in actually reading the report, you can find it here. The section on Switzerland starts on page 343 of the document.

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Switzerland is primarily a destination and, to a lesser extent, a transit country for women and children subjected to sex trafficking and children forced into begging and theft. The majority of identified trafficking victims were forced into nude dancing and prostitution and originated from Eastern Europe, including Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria. Victims from Latin America, Asia, and Africa are also exploited in Switzerland. In 2010, officials and NGOs reported an increase in the number of women in prostitution and children forced into begging from other parts of Europe, especially Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, many of whom were ethnic Roma. During the reporting period, officials took steps to address concerns that Swiss law does not prohibit prostitution by children aged 16 and 17 under all circumstances. While the majority of trafficking victims are found in Swiss urban areas, police and NGOs have encountered small numbers of victims in bars in rural areas in recent years. There reportedly is forced labor in the domestic service sector, particularly in foreign diplomatic households. Swiss federal police assessed the
total number of potential trafficking victims residing in Switzerland as between 1,500 and 3,000.

The Government of Switzerland does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. The Swiss government took important steps this year to prohibit the prostitution of children aged 16 and 17, including a formal commitment at the federal level to pass a law against the practice. Although the process of enacting this legislation is underway, it remains legal in several cantons to benefit financially from the prostitution of children between 16 and 18 years of age. During the reporting period, Swiss authorities nearly doubled the number of convicted trafficking offenders. However, the percent of convicted trafficking offenders who were sentenced to prison terms was low; 83 percent of convicted offenders were not sentenced to time in prison.

Recommendations for Switzerland: Ensure the prohibition of the prostitution of all persons under 18 years old nationwide; explore ways to increase the number of convicted traffickers who receive sentences commensurate with the gravity of this serious crime; increase the number of convicted traffickers serving time in prison; provide adequate funding for trafficking victim service providers and ensure there are trafficking-specific services for children and male victims; conduct a nationwide awareness campaign that addresses labor and sex trafficking and targets potential victims, the general public, as well as potential clients of the sex trade and consumers of products made and services provided through forced labor.
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US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton estimated that between 1,500 and 3,000 people in Switzerland were affected by human trafficking – most of them women and minors schlepped there to work in the sex trade or as beggars and thieves.
Looks like the newspapers didn't read the report either since the report says this statistic is from Swiss federal police.
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My swiss OH says that the Tage Anzieger comment section went absolutely nuts over this yesterday.
She also said most of the comments appeared to be from people who typed before they'd read the details of the story or engaged their brain.
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I would think that too but in that case the Netherlands would be yellow too.. Looks like a list of US friends
how come Israel isn't blue
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There would have been an awful lot of Red across the whole map
Not so, we used to colour it pink
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My swiss OH says that the Tage Anzieger comment section went absolutely nuts over this yesterday.
She also said most of the comments appeared to be from people who typed before they'd read the details of the story or engaged their brain.

Interesting, I had not realised before that EF members also comment in Tages Anzieger!
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Re: US state department Human Trafficking report - Switzerland??

I attended a talk last year by a chap from a NGO that tried to help people that were being trafficked.

According to his figures every country in the world has slaves and he gave a figure of approximately 1500 slaves in Switzerland. Most of them were kept as domestic staff by UN workers who had diplomatic immunity.

He also mentioned that the USA either had passed or was in the process of passing ( I don't remember which ) a law that made diplomatic immunity void if the diplomats were trafficking or keeping slaves on US soil.

All in all, it was a pretty depressing talk, with one of the most depressing points being that the majority of trafficked peoples had nowhere else to go.
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