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Old 01.07.2011, 19:26
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Switzerland world's most innovative country?

Switzerland is the world’s most innovative country and Europe leads the globe according to a report by the French business school Insead.

He refuted suggestions that Switzerland was somehow wrongly placed. “Many people think of Switzerland as only having banks and they don’t do anything else. However if you look at patents on a per GDP basis, it is ranked number one in the world.”


http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...ogle_news_blog

Really? I mean really? What do you think?
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Old 01.07.2011, 19:52
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Here are arguments on both sides of the patent application debate from across the pond:


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FOR all America’s anxieties about its decline as a superpower, its deficits and its weak economy, it can still be proud of its strength as an innovator. Americans make four times as many patent applications per head as Europeans. Patents spur innovation and lay the foundations for future growth, by assuring inventors that they will reap the rewards of their effort and by publicising their discoveries.

But worries have grown that excessive patenting may now be having the opposite effect: businesses and other researchers may be discouraged from innovating in areas that depend heavily on prior discoveries, for fear of being sued for patent infringement. Besides making it too easy to bring patent lawsuits, it is argued, America hands out patents too readily: an often-quoted example is the one granted to Amazon for its “one-click” online-shopping button. Last year the Supreme Court restricted the scope of such business-process patents, but not by enough to satisfy critics.


Big technology companies complain of “patent trolls”—companies that buy lots of obscure patents and then bombard alleged infringers with lawsuits. (The “trolls” argue that by making patents valued they are helping to create a market in invention that will encourage inventors.) Surging patent activity has overwhelmed the US Patent Office, which is taking ever longer to process applications (see chart).
http://www.economist.com/node/183891...89167&fsrc=rss


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The Economist in an article entitled The spluttering invention machine repeats a number of lies associated with patent reform. For instance, they repeat the Patent Thicket theory for which there is absolutely no empirical evidence. You would expect that a magazine like the The Economist would at least do a little research on the topic. Here are some of the errors in the article. (See article)



PATENT REFORM: America Invents Act

The main problem with the US patent system is the long pendency time. This is a result of the underfunding (stealing of user fees) of the Patent Office. Suffice it to say that correcting this situation is not the major thrust of this legislation. The main point of this legislation is to weaken the US patent system, by the addition of oppositions and the weakening of the US grace period, so that it easier for large corporations to steal the inventions of startups and independent inventors.
http://hallingblog.com/2011/03/17/
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Old 01.07.2011, 20:14
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Switzerland is the world’s most innovative country and Europe leads the globe according to a report by the French business school Insead.

He refuted suggestions that Switzerland was somehow wrongly placed. “Many people think of Switzerland as only having banks and they don’t do anything else. However if you look at patents on a per GDP basis, it is ranked number one in the world.”


http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...ogle_news_blog



Really? I mean really? What do you think?

Silicon Valley has more in its pinky than the rest of Europe combined. ESPECIALLY Switzerland. The Swiss know how to make things better, they dont know how to make from scratch.
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Old 01.07.2011, 20:15
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Re: Switzerland world's most innovative country?

Well, aren't there a lot of pharmaceutical companies based here? I wonder how many of those patents are for pharmaceuticals...

Not trying to bash Switzerland, but I do know that one thing they have invented is a very dangerous pesticide that is illegal to be used here and in the rest of Europe but is sold to and used widely across the US.
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I had to laugh when I saw Sweden as #2 on the list
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Silicon Valley has more in its pinky than the rest of Europe combined. ESPECIALLY Switzerland. The Swiss know how to make things better, they dont know how to make from scratch.
The Cuckoo clock was invented from scratch btw lol
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Old 01.07.2011, 21:13
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Are all patents innovation? I think so. They are all inventions, so must by definition be be innovative.

The problem with patents are, is that there is no quality control. A patent inspector doesn't care if it's a good patent or a shit one. All they care is that it's an invention, it's not done before and it's reproducible. I guess it needs to be useful as well..but you can spin that one any way you like.
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The Cuckoo clock was invented from scratch btw lol
I thought that was from Germany?
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Old 01.07.2011, 21:23
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Re: Switzerland world's most innovative country?

Well, I personally know the guys that invented the sample rate converter (first version was a 19" rack, now it's a chip) that ALL current designs are based on, and they are (all three) Swiss (and invented it in CH). Virtually ALL digital audio devices contain them. They have a lot of other patents as well, mostly related to digital audio.

Me, I don't like patents, so all my designs are trade secrets.

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I thought that was from Germany?
It is.

The Bernoullis, Euler, etc. were all Swiss. But I guess they weren't innovators.

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The Swiss know how to make things better, they dont know how to make from scratch.
You CLEARLY have NO clue.

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Old 01.07.2011, 21:47
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My small village has 2 Nobel prize winners for great inventions- yes, from scratch. And of course Solar Impulse is currently leading research in a very exciting field. Louis Chevrolet was a local guy and so was Le Corbusier.

See the thread 'what have the Swiss done for us'.

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Are all patents innovation? I think so. They are all inventions, so must by definition be be innovative.

The problem with patents are, is that there is no quality control. A patent inspector doesn't care if it's a good patent or a shit one. All they care is that it's an invention, it's not done before and it's reproducible. I guess it needs to be useful as well..but you can spin that one any way you like.
Well, if you look at the study done by INSEAD, patents are but one of the many different factors used for scoring. Switzerland is not top notch for all factors, but fares very well on an aggregate level.

Could some other country come before Switzerland? Very probably. INSEAD has done a rather thorough study and is quite open about how it reached its conclusions. But you can certainly use other measures.
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Re: Switzerland world's most innovative country?

um, ffs get to know what a patent is - you could get a patent for designing a cuckoo clock and toaster - that's not to say it's worth anything.

Patents are about copyright for an idea - a theory the design the basics of that 'thing'

The US probably has thousands of patents based on 'how best to get the morbidly obese person who weighs over half a tonne out of their house and into hospital' (not meaning to offend but first thing that came into my head)

A patent per se is not of value - it's the idea and whether it will work. Nortel sold their patents for 4.5 b$ or something (can't be arsed to find link) - Greece needs to find 50bil - they have no idea.........

Ideas are everything hence patents - but ideas without purpose.....

It's a combination of the two. I could own 2 thousand patents but none would be profit worthy -

Understand what a patent is first........ it's not rocket science
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Did the Swiss end up getting a patent for Rösti btw? lol
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I had to laugh when I saw Sweden as #2 on the list
yes they should have been no1...
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Re: Switzerland world's most innovative country?

Ok, I know that many here only know the IT departments of banks (aka "Zurich crowd") or the pharmas (aka "Basel crowd").

The research said "measured on the GDP" and yes, I believe that Switzerland is from that perspective rightfully on top:
- the mentioned pharmas are huge innovators.
- Nestle is for example Swiss and has a massive amount of patents on food technology, from Nespresso over baby food to diet solutions....
- Biotechnology, some big players in crop science for example...
- Technology: There are more JOBS in Swiss SME than in the large banks. Those SME have to survive although they have massive costs for labour here compared to the EU and the US, especially right now. You can only do so by picking the right niche market and develop niche products... and you protect those innovations with patents. Not necessarily very visible to most expats here, but this area is HUGE.
- there are some excellent technical universities which do generate a lot of innovations - directly as well as indirectly.

Yes, the silicon valley is probably even a better breeding ground for innovations. But if you look at COUNTRIES the silicon valley is put into a huge bucket with anything from the mid-west to the south of the US, not necessarily the most innovative parts of this planet... so what would be interesting to know? How does CH score against California...?
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