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Simple but wrong. In many cases, the margins remain with the wholesalers and the GSAs. Very often, as recently shown on Swiss TV, the producers and wholesalers even are inside "Euroland" and refuse to reduce their prices (in CHF) for Swiss retailers. Unfortunately, even Migros, which up into the 80ies, heavily relied on stuff produced in M-owned producer-companies in recent decades started to purchase "brand-label" products again. In some specific cases, margins in reality collapsed.
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That is excuse for fools and children from my point of view. If You accept it be my guest, but I won't. It is simply not true in rest of europe no matter what currency there is (today's experience), as mentioned before competition is very healthy thing.
Swiss are maybe too rich to mind the prices of basic stuff so far. Migros is not whole Swiss market, we can start talking about electronics or outdoor equipment, or anything, i mean ANYTHING. Oh boy, are you hired to write this stuff? One swiss colleague described this situation nicely and still quite politely: "We (swiss) are being f***ed by all these dealers of goods". Can't agree more.
If anybody at Migros was that stupid to write buying contracts spanning more than year with fixed prices, being paid in francs outside of Switzerland, then maybe Migros deserves to vanish and be replaced by something more flexible. If franc would go down they would be first to adjust prices, telling some other tales. How much did new german car prices dropped in last 6 months here?
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That is excuse for fools and children from my point of view. If You accept it be my guest, but I won't. It is simply not true in rest of europe no matter what currency there is (today's experience), as mentioned before competition is very healthy thing.
Swiss are maybe too rich to mind the prices of basic stuff so far. Migros is not whole Swiss market, we can start talking about electronics or outdoor equipment, or anything, i mean ANYTHING. Oh boy, are you hired to write this stuff? One swiss colleague described this situation nicely and still quite politely: "We (swiss) are being f***ed by all these dealers of goods". Can't agree more.
If anybody at Migros was that stupid to write buying contracts spanning more than year with fixed prices, being paid in francs outside of Switzerland, then maybe Migros deserves to vanish and be replaced by something more flexible. If franc would go down they would be first to adjust prices, telling some other tales. How much did new german car prices dropped in last 6 months here?
it's simply the lack of competition (or cartel behaviour) combined with the inability to recognise quality or value-for-money. here it seems expensive=high quality.
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Re: Swiss Franc Climbs to Record High

The prices not dropping could also due to a general attitude problem, where stable prices do not really bother consumers.
As an outside, I have been visiting various swiss forums. Most locals are quite amused at my attempt to save 3 CHF here and 5 CHF there.
However, while touring US, people voluntarily gave advice which would save 1$ or 2$. It was like a big saving.
Now those 1s and 2s count, but I feel most locals don't really care.
I tell you, if the dollar appreciated suddenly, and fuel prices did not drop in US, you would have a riot.
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The prices not dropping could also due to a general attitude problem, where stable prices do not really bother consumers.
As an outside, I have been visiting various swiss forums. Most locals are quite amused at my attempt to save 3 CHF here and 5 CHF there.
However, while touring US, people voluntarily gave advice which would save 1$ or 2$. It was like a big saving.
Now those 1s and 2s count, but I feel most locals don't really care.
I tell you, if the dollar appreciated suddenly, and fuel prices did not drop in US, you would have a riot.
I think the "locals who are quite amused" are actually bluffing. Just nip across the border & you will find supermarket & furniture shop car parks full of Swiss registered vehicles...
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That is excuse for fools and children from my point of view. If You accept it be my guest, but I won't. It is simply not true in rest of europe no matter what currency there is (today's experience), as mentioned before competition is very healthy thing.
Swiss are maybe too rich to mind the prices of basic stuff so far. Migros is not whole Swiss market, we can start talking about electronics or outdoor equipment, or anything, i mean ANYTHING. Oh boy, are you hired to write this stuff? One swiss colleague described this situation nicely and still quite politely: "We (swiss) are being f***ed by all these dealers of goods". Can't agree more.
If anybody at Migros was that stupid to write buying contracts spanning more than year with fixed prices, being paid in francs outside of Switzerland, then maybe Migros deserves to vanish and be replaced by something more flexible. If franc would go down they would be first to adjust prices, telling some other tales. How much did new german car prices dropped in last 6 months here?
That you see reality as "excuse" shows the problem. I do NOT excuse idiots but I show how they worked When you mention the "rest of Europe" you are going beside reality anyway, as the "rest of Europe" in most places is not better but simply similar. Competition ? There was and is enough competition but what if the competition is as dull as YOU are ? Look at Migros, in the 1950ies and 60ies THE low price pioneer on the Continent. Migros Türk for some years was just a subsidiary and then, I think at the right time, separated and became successful. Why ? Because THEY, in contrast to M-CH, built up on the basis of the ideas of TUTTI.
COOP at the other hand is just a modernised version of Social-Democratic Party linked consumer-cooperatives like LVZ, KVZ, LVS, KVS etc. And your claim that "Swiss are maybe too rich to mind the prices of basic stuff so far." shows that you are OFF reality, as "the" Swiss DO constantly watch and discuss the prices of basic stuff and compare and DO react. So that your conclusion here simply is utterly wrong. You now speak about Migros, a cooperative lead by a man who apparently already in "middle age" is dementia ridden, but for electrical and electronic gears, one of the most important companies here is Media Markt. Why do you not mention them ? Are YOU hired by Migros ?

They at Migros and Coop DID sign such contracts. Whether they really had not alternatives to doing so is not my business, but reality is that they did. And reality is that you in shops HAVE to make contracts many months in advance. TVDRS-1 recently checked this up quite thoroughly. My personal conclusion was that those in charge on all sides either are
- crooks
- idiots
- crime victims
BUT that we on the consumer-side are subjected to utter rubbish and are cheated all the way.

German cars ? Are you joking ? Listen to what Germans from across the border but working here tell you ! If VW/Opel/BMW&Co.KG are not very careful in the next few months they will lose market shares INSIDE Germany in quite a big way. To Renault, Peugeot, FIAT, Toyota and NISSAN. Because their notion that everybody believes the old idea of "Deutsche Werksarbeit" will possibly no longer bring the expected results.

Don't you see the similarity of corporate thinking between Switzerland and Germany ? Don't you see that not just acceptable but fairly good quality is what people want, and not really perfectionism.

BTW,. last time I looked into www.oanda.com the Euro was on the record as being CHF 1.10 again ! So that those Coop-Migros-Spar chaps now will say "we saw it coming"

And to go back to your "Rest of Europe" thing. What and where is the "Rest of Europe" ? In Rennes and St. Malo ? in Strassburg and Colmar ? in Milano and Bergamo and Genova ? In La Spezia and Viareggio and Pisa and Firenze ? In Annecy and Evian ?
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That you see reality as "excuse" shows the problem. I do NOT excuse idiots but I show how they worked When you mention the "rest of Europe" you are going beside reality anyway, as the "rest of Europe" blah blah blah blah Wolli's latest political manifesto blah blah blah
Do you honestly believe all the stuff you post?
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LOL. I thought you were in your fifties or sixties but I see now that we are both six years old.
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LOL. I thought you were in your fifties or sixties but I see now that we are both six years old.
Whatever, I will go to purchase some eggs from Italy, which are now 50% cheaper then "echte Schweizer-Eier"
interesting is to see the two mustards on offer in COOP with the same quantity and the same quality and the same sort. The one produced in Zurich is CHF 1.90 and the one produced in the Bourgogne is CHF 1.50 . Why ? Well, the markets at play

Also interesting is that the same bottle of very similar Tunisian wine (1L) still is at CHF 3.20 while the same bottle of very similar Spanish wine (1L..... and possibly rather better .... to admit it) is at CHF 2.70 ... again, free markets at play

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Well, Migros's past doesn't interest me that much. Insightful information, but we live right here, right now (at least me ). And for german cars - what I wrote was a regular question - how much they dropped prices in last year? And this goes for every EU car, including french ones. I don't work in car dealership, and internet prices are usually not the actual ones from my experience. German car manufacturers having problems? I guess some article from today about Audi increasing their yearly profits by 16% over last year must have been a lie.
About swiss people - well of course some of them mind the prices. Otherwise shops like Lidl and Denner would close their branches soon after opening. But I see plenty of people shopping in places like Manor and Globus, much more compared to Lidl/Denner. I am relatively new in Switzerland (1 year), so to me these brands don't matter that much. I see simple price (and sometimes quality) scale: Lidl,Denner < Migros < Coop < Manor < Globus. That's it. If somebody is providing good quality for cheaper price, I go there no matter what salary I have. I would feel stupid to pay more than needed for given quality. And there are plenty of good stuff even in cheapest shops, but many people don't bother to explore. And if these mentioned long-term contracts come to an end, will we see some dramatic price drops? I don't think so, but I will be very happy to be wrong.
Media markt? Sorry but I shop online, heard the name, but prices were too high to be interesting just for packaging & sending via mail. Me hired by Migros? Hmm, I don't think they could afford me And I work in different field anyway.
What I am saying - nobody cares for reasons that prices are high. They should not be. Franc is not low only for last couple of weeks. No excuses acceptable.
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I just opened a statement from my corporate credit card account regarding "New General Terms and Conditions". Insured amounts are now in CHF (previously USD).
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I see plenty of people shopping in places like Manor and Globus, much more compared to Lidl/Denner.
Well, I do most of my shopping at Denner or Manor, and most of the rest at Migros, with occasional trips to Italy for fish and whole prosciutti and the like, or my girlfriend's ex-brotherinlaw's Vietnamese store for various other things. Don't go to Coop much, and have never been to Lidl/Aldi (girlfriend goes sometimes, but even she, who loves a bargain, doesn't buy much there).

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Well, Migros's past doesn't interest me that much. Insightful information, but we live right here, right now (at least me ). And for german cars - what I wrote was a regular question - how much they dropped prices in last year? And this goes for every EU car, including french ones. I don't work in car dealership, and internet prices are usually not the actual ones from my experience. German car manufacturers having problems? I guess some article from today about Audi increasing their yearly profits by 16% over last year must have been a lie.
About swiss people - well of course some of them mind the prices. Otherwise shops like Lidl and Denner would close their branches soon after opening. But I see plenty of people shopping in places like Manor and Globus, much more compared to Lidl/Denner. I am relatively new in Switzerland (1 year), so to me these brands don't matter that much. I see simple price (and sometimes quality) scale: Lidl,Denner < Migros < Coop < Manor < Globus. That's it. If somebody is providing good quality for cheaper price, I go there no matter what salary I have. I would feel stupid to pay more than needed for given quality. And there are plenty of good stuff even in cheapest shops, but many people don't bother to explore. And if these mentioned long-term contracts come to an end, will we see some dramatic price drops? I don't think so, but I will be very happy to be wrong.
Media markt? Sorry but I shop online, heard the name, but prices were too high to be interesting just for packaging & sending via mail. Me hired by Migros? Hmm, I don't think they could afford me And I work in different field anyway.
What I am saying - nobody cares for reasons that prices are high. They should not be. Franc is not low only for last couple of weeks. No excuses acceptable.
Just a few points:
> people do not have the time to go abroad all the time. Beside the point that specific prices HAVE come down. And the way abroad is NOT free of charge, as you either have to drive or take public transport.
> Denner btw. is the low-price subsidiary of Migros
> MigroL and Coop (Tankstellen) generally have lower prices than the competitioners
> And for developments at present, you can look up under
Why aren't prices falling...?
> I do not accept excuses for treacherously high prices, but to know why they are there is important
> And NO, to say that nobody cares about the reasons is simply wrong. As the Federal Economics Minister is NOT "nobody"
> Nothing can be done as long as the reasons are not thoroughly investigated
> motor cars ? I heard that Renault CH sells on the same level as Renault abroad. I cannot tell you about the others
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