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That's not the point. Anyone discussing the SP hardly throws around the labels "Stalinist" or "Khmer Rougesque" just to prove a point that we may consider their politics slightly left of center...
Because the SP doesn't put out posters that remind us of Stalin's or Pol Pot's policies. The UDC, on the other hand,...
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

where can I see who won in Zug / Baar, how the population here voted
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One thing I found curious was that Blocher scored more votes in the Nationalrat part of the election than he did in the Ständerat part.
Blocher's time is over in parliament and he knows it. The only reason that he stood for the Ständerat was because the SVP couldn't be seen to be supporting the FDP because of previous squabbles. He actually got a bunch more votes than I ever thought was possible. He'll probably still stand for the second vote in ZH just because he can to prove a point, whatever that happens to be. You have to realize that his mindset is probably to even out the injustice that he felt happened to him when all the parties collaborated to kicking him out of the Bundesrat all those years ago. Who can blame him?
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The BBC has more on the surprise slide in support for the SVP/UDC.

"Switzerland's right-wing People's Party has seen its share of the vote fall at parliamentary elections, defying forecasts of a historic result.

It had campaigned on a tough anti-immigration platform, and had predicted it would receive an unprecedented 30% of the vote on Sunday.

But with the count nearly complete, it was set to get less than 27%.

Its calls to limit immigration strictly are now likely to be quietly ignored, a BBC correspondent says."
What has happened with the BBC ? Most forecasts predicted a stagnation of minus/plus 0,7% for the SVP . How could those BBC folks arrive at such strange assumptions ?

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Last night on SF tv I've seen the politicians heavily arguing (it was a surprise as I thought only in other parts of the world could happen), it was one guy from SP "attacking" that Toni Brunner saying that SVP rejected twice their proposals re. illegal immigration and the level of taxes/wages for temporary and "transfrontalier" workers, implying that some of the voters are the type of business owners who need this grey zone. So, it turns out that SVP one thing says and another does, it seems they are only populist and demagogues (that was my conclusion) Probably people notices they do nothing over there in Bern.
More interesting was to see who CVP chief Darbelley in a piece of Byzantine politics favoured Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf to stay in the Federal government in spite of her party only getting around 4% of the seats in the National Council, putting at risk the seats of the other office holders, while he was attacked by not only the SVP chief but also by the chiefs of FDP and SP .

You might rather abstain from trying to pull the centre of the matter to aspects which quite obviously were not as important for the Swiss voters as you apparently thought.

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Maybe the Switzerland citizens are ashamed of voting for a vocal anti-immigrant party! at least my manager (who is swiss) never wants to talk about SVP!
I do not know your manager. But suppose that he A) is NOT in favour to talk about the SVP first of all and B) is NOT to talk about that bunch as he knows plainly well that the SVP may be your prime subject

True, in a parliamentary republic, Tony Brunner would now have got the appointment to form a new coalition government, But Switzerland is NOT a parliamentary republic !!

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This may not mean anything as other major parties also lost seats.
This may because of the new parties diluting some of the voting.
This is NOT "not anything" as it means that the SVP for the first time in more than two decades LOST seats ! It shows that they have reached the ceiling.
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where can I see who won in Zug / Baar, how the population here voted
Here
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

...wow, actually managed to get a 4 letter post in

And for anyone else interested, here are the official links to the cantonal statistics offices with the election results for both chambers down to community level. So you can look up how your village voted - which can be quite interesting. I'm surprised at the SVP support in our town to be honest...

http://www.parlamentswahlen-2011.ch/...ro-kanton.html

The first set of links on this page will take you to further stats, the second row will only display the faces of the elected folk.
Depending on the canton, the results are a bit different and it is only going to be in the language(s) of your canton. What you are looking for (at least in german) for community level results is "Resultate" or "Hochrechnungen" and then "bei Gemeinde"...
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Now that the Romandie managed to figure out how to work their computeing software, all the results are in.

The shift to the new parties wasn't expected, I certainly thought that the BDP would go away and shrivel up quietly, but the biggest loser in terms of percentage of seats lost against votes is the Greens, down to 15 Nationalrat seats, down from 20.

An overview of the changes:

SP: Plus 3 to 46
SVP: Minus 8 to 54
FDP: Minus 5 to 30
CVP: Minus 3 to 28
Greens: Minus 5 to 15
GLP: Plus 9 to 12
BDP: Plus 9 to 9
Six other seats (Lega, etc.)

The open questions are did all the SVP's lost votes go to the BDP from the less conservative BE & GR cantons or did they attract disgruntled FDP supporters? The Greens would presumably have lost votes to both the SP and Green Liberals.
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Who can blame him?
*splutters into coffee*

Who can blame the guy who took hard line nationalistic (borderline racist) policies to a mainstream audience for being upset that stronger people ganged up on him and didn't support him in his hour of need?

Oh...what bitter irony!
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Old 25.10.2011, 09:57
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Blocher's time is over in parliament and he knows it. The only reason that he stood for the Ständerat was because the SVP couldn't be seen to be supporting the FDP because of previous squabbles. He actually got a bunch more votes than I ever thought was possible. He'll probably still stand for the second vote in ZH just because he can to prove a point, whatever that happens to be. You have to realize that his mindset is probably to even out the injustice that he felt happened to him when all the parties collaborated to kicking him out of the Bundesrat all those years ago. Who can blame him?
I do not blame him; I encourage him for ruining the SVP after his work to build it up.

Clearly Nathalie Ricker (correct spelling?) is a more popular candidate in Zurich & should be the Ständerat candidate.

If Blocher had swallowed his pride & accepted Widmer Schlumpf then the SVP would still have 2 Bundesrat seats & there would not be a strong BDP siphoning votes away.

I say "Go Blocher Go" & do more of the same........
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As always, I'll vote Socialist and Green because it's the only way to care for people and for the environment.
..... and.... it's a good idea to keep a balance.

I would vote the same way
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I do not blame him; I encourage him for ruining the SVP after his work to build it up.

Clearly Nathalie Ricker (correct spelling?) is a more popular candidate in Zurich & should be the Ständerat candidate.

If Blocher had swallowed his pride & accepted Widmer Schlumpf then the SVP would still have 2 Bundesrat seats & there would not be a strong BDP siphoning votes away.

I say "Go Blocher Go" & do more of the same........
Interesting comments from senior SVP people in the Press today, for example, about Blocher (my translation) "With yesterday's defeat he lost the aura of success that surrounded him".

Also a number of comments that SVP should drop the focus on foreigners & tackle real problems like the strong franc that is threatening jobs, bank regulation &&&&.
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Interesting comments from senior SVP people in the Press today, for example, about Blocher (my translation) "With yesterday's defeat he lost the aura of success that surrounded him".

Also a number of comments that SVP should drop the focus on foreigners & tackle real problems like the strong franc that is threatening jobs, bank regulation &&&&.
I agree. Political bullshit is expected after the fact. Everyone gets to wheel out the dog-eared excuses the day after their losses. Fact is, the SVP concentrated way too much on immigration and not on other important factors like the strength of the Swiss Franc, future energy and transportation. They kind of held all the right cards, but played the wrong ones. I also happen to think that Blocher is a great politician, but he should have read the writing on the proverbial wall and let someone younger move the ZH faction of the party forwards. Rickli would have been a great flag carrier for the SVP and in case no one had noticed, she's a cute girlie too
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I agree. Political bullshit is expected after the fact. Everyone gets to wheel out the dog-eared excuses the day after their losses. Fact is, the SVP concentrated way too much on immigration and not on other important factors like the strength of the Swiss Franc, future energy and transportation. They kind of held all the right cards, but played the wrong ones. I also happen to think that Blocher is a great politician, but he should have read the writing on the proverbial wall and let someone younger move the ZH faction of the party forwards. Rickli would have been a great flag carrier for the SVP and in case no one had noticed, she's a cute girlie too
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Now that the Romandie managed to figure out how to work their computeing software, all the results are in.

The shift to the new parties wasn't expected, I certainly thought that the BDP would go away and shrivel up quietly, but the biggest loser in terms of percentage of seats lost against votes is the Greens, down to 15 Nationalrat seats, down from 20.

An overview of the changes:

SP: Plus 3 to 46
SVP: Minus 8 to 54
FDP: Minus 5 to 30
CVP: Minus 3 to 28
Greens: Minus 5 to 15
GLP: Plus 9 to 12
BDP: Plus 9 to 9
Six other seats (Lega, etc.)

The open questions are did all the SVP's lost votes go to the BDP from the less conservative BE & GR cantons or did they attract disgruntled FDP supporters? The Greens would presumably have lost votes to both the SP and Green Liberals.
A) Lots of the additional votes for the BDP came from FDP and even SP
B) The BDP also got votes from previous CVP voters and maybe even GP voters
C) the SVP just as whomever else lost votes did lose votes to all the other competitors
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It should also be noted that Roger Federer achieved a respectable 132 votes for the Ständerat in Schwyz. May not sound like a lot but gives that he was neither running nor aware that he was being elected... With that result he fell only slighly short of the Anti-Powerpoint Party, who got 141 Votes in Zurich, but he did beat the Anti-Feminist Party which which - with 58 Votes - probably got the fewest votes in the whole country. Good day for feminist powerpoint users who like Tennis I guess!
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where can I see who won in Zug / Baar, how the population here voted
Hi pk01 go to admin.ch then click somewhere e.g. nationalratswählen

Im sure you'll find it - Pity Jo Lang didnt make it.
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Hi pk01 go to admin.ch then click somewhere e.g. nationalratswählen

Im sure you'll find it - Pity Jo Lang didnt make it.
a pity it is but hardly surprising. He started out of Zug, a Canton I regard as exceedingly conservative politics-wise, and so in a canton where most "citizens" are relatives of each other, it is easy to see that people were determined to oust him .....
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And for anyone else interested, here are the official links to the cantonal statistics offices with the election results for both chambers down to community level.
http://www.parlamentswahlen-2011.ch/...ro-kanton.html
Thanks for the link, i could find the info also researching it on the cantons websites.
SVP was also strong in my Gemeinde, but I wondered why glp gained two mandates in Bern whereas other parties candidates had more votes in total. Does it come down to the list vote?
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Thanks for the link, i could find the info also researching it on the cantons websites.
SVP was also strong in my Gemeinde, but I wondered why glp gained two mandates in Bern whereas other parties candidates had more votes in total. Does it come down to the list vote?
Its complicated as the national percentage vote doesnt obviously directly transfer to seats. There is two things mainly: The size of the cantons and the list-connections. Each canton gets a certain number of seats allocated according to their population. Zurich as the biggest gets 34 but there are in total 6 cantons that are small enough to only get one seat (the two Appenzells, Glarus, Ob- and Nidwalden as well as Uri). Technically most of these dont even have the population to get one seat but one is the minimum. So basically, if one party does strongly in the small cantons, they may get more seats but less of the popular vote in total (if they do badly in the cities).

Secondly (and more complicated) is the fact that the parties can connect their lists in order to increase their chances. Usually they do so along political lines. SP and the Greens had their lists connected in almost all cantons to make sure that the last split seat will at least fall the one of the left parties as opposed to a middle or right one. This worked really well for them actually but this time it was mainly SP who profited and the greens who suffered (you may have noticed that SP lost 0.8% but gained 3 seats while the greens lost 1.2% but lost 5!). This is partially caused by the fact that in 2007 the same game worked the other way round and the greens managed to pick up the marginals from SP. So basically the list-conections work to strengthen the "blocks" or alliances between parties and are a way to increase chances of a seat falling your way. So in case of the GLP vs BDP - the green liberals almost certainly just had better list connections and also they made their 5.4% in fewer cantons. In many of them they did not even contest whereas the national 5.4% of BDP was spread out over almost all cantons.
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