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Old 25.07.2011, 22:21
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The swiss people unlike many others understand the important of taxation, the socialists call for high taxes because they realize that a lot of people need social assistance from the government. The problem with the SVP and the right wing parties is that they also want this social assistance but they dont want to raise taxes to pay for it. We understand that the bitter pill must be swallowed to help the people.
There is one thing you all need to understand there is one fundamental difference between the swiss socialists and the socialists of the rest of the world. THe swiss socialists know that they cannot win a majority in government they know that the people will never allow it. Thats why a 'socialist state' would never be created in Switzerland as some of you have pointed out.
Also the swiss and the foreigners who are rich need to be put under control the socialists do believe in fair wealth distribution, obviously people can own property were not communist but we believe that if you earn more it should be given back to society this should be true for both the swiss rich and expats who come here for the good tax situation.
the SVP should have a drop in votes seeing as the right wing areas of Bern and Graubuenden will likely vote for the BDP. I hope that the swiss will wake up and vote for the left not just for their sake to help them, but so that the balance of power can be kept and no party become to strong.
It is the socialists who care for the basic working class swiss the SVP only care for the rich and FDP only for the business owners the CVP only for christians, the socialists are the only ones who truly represent the people
I think it was Maggie Thatcher who said Socialism is great until they run out of other people's money; for a current example look at Greece
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Old 25.07.2011, 22:29
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just wondering Assassin, are you a full blooded swiss, or did you originate from somewhere else.
Well, I'm not, but my girlfriend is, as are many of my friends.

My friends and I may differ on some matters, but GF and I see eye-to-eye.

So, what's your point?

Of course, Ticino is hardly a bastion of the French-speaking leftists!

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So, what's your point?


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Simply wondering
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Old 28.07.2011, 14:39
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Results of reader polls/surveys in the Tages Anzeiger today, all in German
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/24029198

One poll was on the question "which political party disappointed you most over the last 4 years?"

SVP were the clear lead with 38%.

Might not get the same result if Blick were to do the same survey
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Old 07.08.2011, 12:12
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

SVP have started a big poster campaign against Einwanderung; interestingly according to Blick today (OK, I know) some senior SVP people are not signing up to this campaign.

Hopefully they will all implode....
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Old 07.08.2011, 12:51
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

I have a feeling that we could see SVP lose some seats this year, or at least not winning many.

They have gone over the top and people realize it. This election will see the return of many voters that haven't voted in years and are alarmed by the recent developments (minaret-ban and so on).

I'm confident that this election will show Switzerland's return to sanity.
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Old 09.08.2011, 16:39
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I have a feeling that we could see SVP lose some seats this year, or at least not winning many.

They have gone over the top and people realize it. This election will see the return of many voters that haven't voted in years and are alarmed by the recent developments (minaret-ban and so on).

I'm confident that this election will show Switzerland's return to sanity.
might be counter balanced by concerns about strong franc, share prices falling, lay offs by big companies - all of which can be twisted into "see what those foreigners cause!"

On the other hand people might be fed up with SVP always proposing negative policies & bans & such like; no positive steps to generate jobs, wealth, etc.
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might be counter balanced by concerns about strong franc, share prices falling, lay offs by big companies - all of which can be twisted into "see what those foreigners cause!"

On the other hand people might be fed up with SVP always proposing negative policies & bans & such like; no positive steps to generate jobs, wealth, etc.
> too strong Franken and lay-offs are favouring the SP and not the SVP
> falling share prices do not have so much as an impact as you imply
> the SVP no longer is THE protest and alternative party
> chaps like Toni Brunner are exceedingly boring
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I think it was Maggie Thatcher who said Socialism is great until they run out of other people's money; for a current example look at Greece
...look at Norway and Sweden...no issues there, even though socialism..
Look at US, right wing fascism...and a lot of issues...
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...look at Norway and Sweden...no issues there, even though socialism..
On the contrary, in both those places a family cannot survive on a single paycheck!

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...look at Norway and Sweden...no issues there, even though socialism..
Look at US, right wing fascism...and a lot of issues...
Norway & Sweden; they have not yet run out of other people's money

about "Look at US" - the problems came up during the Democrats watch who were in power for 4 years until 30 Nov 2010 - Democrats are left wing!
Still has a left wing Democrat President

I think you need to buy a new colouring book?
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Norway & Sweden; they have not yet run out of other people's money

about "Look at US" - the problems came up during the Democrats watch who were in power for 4 years until 30 Nov 2010 - Democrats are left wing!
Still has a left wing Democrat President

I think you need to buy a new colouring book?
you consider the democrats in US to be socialists? ...please...US is a "one-party-police-state"...

GWB made it all possible with the uncalled warmongering and huge tax-cuts for the filthy rich and all!
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On the contrary, in both those places a family cannot survive on a single paycheck!

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Yet another definition of a socialistic state...
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On the contrary, in both those places a family cannot survive on a single paycheck!

Tom
I have a friend living in one of those countries and a colleague who comes from the other. They both say you are talking nonsense. That isn't to say there aren't families there that can't, but I guess the people I asked can generalise as well as you can.
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I have a friend living in one of those countries and a colleague who comes from the other. They both say you are talking nonsense. That isn't to say there aren't families there that can't, but I guess the people I asked can generalise as well as you can.
Nothing is impossible, it IS possible to "live" on one salary in Sweden, it comes down to which quality of life do you want and of course your interest...so of course in most couples both tend to work, which of course brings a lot of pressure into a family...

...the most important things are financed from the government like the health care, school and the social system...like in Switzerland except for the health care which is ridiculous expensive for a family here...and not even that good for what you pay...
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...look at Norway and Sweden...no issues there, even though socialism..
Try telling that to the people of Oslo.
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Try telling that to the people of Oslo.
...yes it dangerous today to be a socialist too many right wing fascists around spreading like a disease...
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That's what I first thought as well, imagine my surprise when I popped up at a party meeting half-nekkid with a joint in my mouth and a beer in my hand, only to find these people:


They politely informed that they don't take slogans about individual liberties quite as literal as me, so I didn't bother to join.
This is the old dual meaning of liberal: freedom of social norms and freedom of market. Hangers on to the two meanings don't always cross over and embrace both meanings in their life philosophy.
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I think it was Maggie Thatcher who said Socialism is great until they run out of other people's money; for a current example look at Greece
Good one. This is a common problem these days.
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