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Old 17.08.2011, 04:00
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Good one. This is a common problem these days.
Why ? Greece run aground under a right-wing government, and now, a Socialist is trying get his country out of the mess. And Greece half of the time was governed by right-of-centre governments. They were not innocent but happily contributed to the mess. You might say that conservatism is good until they run out of the people's money.
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Old 17.08.2011, 09:32
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

I'm not claiming this to be the correct answer, but from what I hear from business associates in Greece, the main problem is corruption and bureaucracy at every possible level of politics and local administration. It's a wonder that anything works at all in that country, nice people though.

Back on subject, we're only 10 weeks away from the elections and there's still hardly any visible campaigning going on in Switzerland. Maybe none of the parties want to "peak" too early.
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:08
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except for the health care which is ridiculous expensive for a family here...and not even that good for what you pay...
Do you have any evidence to back that up or is that just an opinion?
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You might say that government is good until they run out of the people's money.
Fixed that for you.
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Old 17.08.2011, 17:48
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Do you have any evidence to back that up or is that just an opinion?
evidence? don't be silly
just my observations and my own and the experiences from others I know...the amount you pay vs the medical attention and knowledge is really not up to pair...
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Old 18.08.2011, 02:36
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I'm not claiming this to be the correct answer, but from what I hear from business associates in Greece, the main problem is corruption and bureaucracy at every possible level of politics and local administration. It's a wonder that anything works at all in that country, nice people though.

Back on subject, we're only 10 weeks away from the elections and there's still hardly any visible campaigning going on in Switzerland. Maybe none of the parties want to "peak" too early.
> in Greece, the whole state apparatus is corrupt, regardless of parties. While this may be true with most of the Mediterranean, Greece clearly tops the rest.

> bad in Greece is that people go into retirement at age 50, an age where people elsewhere just move up into management

> another bad aspect is that a big chunk of the economy is state owned. That much of this has nothing to do with socialism but often was arranged in the way it is by "rightwingers" makes matters worse, in so far as Greek rightwingers do not believe in free enterprise but in the Karamanlis family and Greek leftwingers do not believe in socialism but in the Papandreou family ! and both sides believe in the state, and in their own families.
--- Greece may be in Europe, but it also is in the Levante, and so Greek politics is Levantine Politics ( also known as Byzantine politics )
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Old 18.08.2011, 11:38
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I checked up with www.smartvote.ch
and got a nice coalition-compilation consisting of
GLP SP FDP EVP
as they check up people who agree with you on issues
Nice site. The catch is that what the politicians answered is not always being reflected with equal weight in their actions.
Anyway, for me it was UDC - probably because of economy-like and social-like questions.
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Old 21.08.2011, 11:30
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Nice site. The catch is that what the politicians answered is not always being reflected with equal weight in their actions.
Anyway, for me it was UDC - probably because of economy-like and social-like questions.
Did it again. The recommendation I got is in favour of
- list for the separation of state and church
- Pirates Party
- GLP Green Liberals
- BDP Bürgerlich-Demokratisch
- FDP Liberals
- SP Social Democrats

Even if he is not on the list they give, I of course will vote twice for Thomas Marthaler (SP), a lawyer and Friedensrichter in Zch-3, for whom I was the instructor when he was in commercial apprenticeship in the airfreight business.

Some others I found on the list to be put onto MY list are
Bedrija Hamza -- GLP
Raffaele Cavallaro -- FDP
Nicole Lieberherr -- FDP .-- daughter of a schoolfriend
Thomas Wälchli -- GLP -- son of an old friend (1970ies)
Reto Buchmann -- JUSO -- son of a good teacher
Ursina Egli -- SP -- daughter of another good teacher
Patrizio Fusco -- SP
Burçin Tumay -- JUSO
Pia Holenstein -- SP
& Claudia Holenstein -- GLP -- both daughers of a reactionaly reverend
Daniel Jositsch -- SP -- a "heavyweight" in ZH politics, unique person
Ranjeet Guptara -- EVP
----
I just hope that this "political advertisement" is acceptable


Whether a candidate for office is ready and able to press through the agenda is something he/she does not now him/her-self now. Let's be realistic. How would YOU proceed in such a situation ?

This may be easy if you have a "definite" line like a gent I know who is in the ZH SVP and is in political terms 300 meters to the right of Ayatollah Blocher, is a master of intrigues, and rather ruthless ----- in short a man with a political future !
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Old 21.08.2011, 12:33
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Interesting survey in Sunday Blick today, about the next election.

Not surprisingly the most well known politician was Ayatollah Blocher. What was surprising was the answer to the question "who would you vote for" & Ayatollah Blocher was 15th on the list. If he does not get good support from Blick readers then from where??
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Old 21.08.2011, 13:01
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What was surprising was the answer to the question "who would you vote for" & Ayatollah Blocher was 15th on the list. If he does not get good support from Blick readers then from where??
But isn't the weird thing about these surveys that publicly people would say "oh, i'd NEVER vote for him" but then in the privacy of the polling booth ....
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Old 21.08.2011, 13:26
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But isn't the weird thing about these surveys that publicly people would say "oh, i'd NEVER vote for him" but then in the privacy of the polling booth ....
Understand the dilemma. Had to give DB some green rep the other day....!
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Old 21.08.2011, 15:31
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But isn't the weird thing about these surveys that publicly people would say "oh, i'd NEVER vote for him" but then in the privacy of the polling booth ....
Just to have it correctly. Here you do NOT vote in a polling booth but at home, either when preparing the stuff for mailing or preparing it for going to the polls.
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Old 21.08.2011, 21:11
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But isn't the weird thing about these surveys that publicly people would say "oh, i'd NEVER vote for him" but then in the privacy of the polling booth ....
I don't think it's weird at all. The media likes to paint SVP voters as racist hillbillies which in turn leads some of the SVP voters to lie about who they'll be actually voting for. Of course they'll still vote SVP on election day.
IMHO the very same mechanics were at work when we voted about the minarets. The opinion polls were off the mark by a big margin.

Don't forget that most media in Switzerland reports from a distinct left-centrist point of view which just doesn't reflect the position of a big part of the population, hence there's sometimes quite a gap beetween the published and the public opinion.
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Old 21.08.2011, 22:42
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I don't think it's weird at all. The media likes to paint SVP voters as racist hillbillies which in turn leads some of the SVP voters to lie about who they'll be actually voting for. Of course they'll still vote SVP on election day.
IMHO the very same mechanics were at work when we voted about the minarets. The opinion polls were off the mark by a big margin.

Don't forget that most media in Switzerland reports from a distinct left-centrist point of view which just doesn't reflect the position of a big part of the population, hence there's sometimes quite a gap beetween the published and the public opinion.
Why would the SVP voters to lie about who they'll be actually voting for? The replies to the surveys are anyway confidential.
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Old 21.08.2011, 22:58
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Driving through the Magadino yesterday, all I could notice was all the non-Ticinese motorcyclists siting in the coda like sheep!

THIS is why I will vote for the LEGA!

(sorry, SVP/UDC are foreigners around here, and Franco Cavalli is one of my Facebook friends, so even he will get a vote from me! (better your neighbors than strangers))

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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Finally the different parties are starting to pick-up momento.
I really do like to understand exactly what I'm voting for.
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Old 22.08.2011, 01:13
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I don't think it's weird at all. The media likes to paint SVP voters as racist hillbillies which in turn leads some of the SVP voters to lie about who they'll be actually voting for. Of course they'll still vote SVP on election day.
IMHO the very same mechanics were at work when we voted about the minarets. The opinion polls were off the mark by a big margin.

Don't forget that most media in Switzerland reports from a distinct left-centrist point of view which just doesn't reflect the position of a big part of the population, hence there's sometimes quite a gap beetween the published and the public opinion.
Most people in Switzerland make their decisions many days or weeks before deadline-day and put it into the mail. And this includes the SVP "hillbillies"
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Old 22.08.2011, 09:17
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Why would the SVP voters to lie about who they'll be actually voting for? The replies to the surveys are anyway confidential.
But you have to tell the person at the other end of the phone what you'll vote for and for some reason these surveys almost always underestimate the strenght of the SVP.
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Old 22.08.2011, 10:58
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But you have to tell the person at the other end of the phone what you'll vote for and for some reason these surveys almost always underestimate the strenght of the SVP.
I thought it was an online survey where you clicked on your choices; I might be wrong.
Come to think of that might be why the SVP hilliebillies did not show up so strong
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

The official polls done by gfs.bern that have been coming out at a monthly rate are certainly done by phone - and they normally seem to underestimate SVP
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Old 22.08.2011, 12:11
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The official polls done by gfs.bern that have been coming out at a monthly rate are certainly done by phone - and they normally seem to underestimate SVP
See post 68
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