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Old 08.10.2011, 19:13
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These should help:
http://www.ch.ch/abstimmungen_und_wa...x.html?lang=en (this one is in English)
http://www.statistik.zh.ch/internet/...hlen_2011.html (this one is in German, but if you can vote, I assume...)
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Old 09.10.2011, 11:43
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Heard a piece on Schawinski's Radio One this week about how few people are showing up to political debates that used to be the way of Swiss politics back in my earlier days. One meeting in Winterthur had four candidates and five visitors!

There are a host of issues up for grabs, but no one is really campaigning effectively with them.

If I read all the pamphlets hitting my mailbox, I see the same styled pictures, Photoshopped white teeth and an ear to ear grin with some inane bio telling me that said candidate is married, with 2.3 kids and welcomes open debate and listens to the pulse of the nation. Like whatever.....

And now I'm staring at a beautifully created leaflet styled as a recipe book, giving me encouragement to go vote in two weeks time.

In Canton ZH we get to choose 34 members of the Nationalrat and 2 Ständerat candidates. The Nationalrat list is like a phone book, 30 pre-printed lists of suspects and a couple of empty pages to pick and mix my own combination if I so desire. Democracy has never been so, well, bloody democratic!

The conundrums, how I can I support the Green Liberals nationally when they're trying to stop expansion of Zürich Airport next month? Who the heck to suggest for the Ständerat apart from Gutzwiller? Can't vote CVP, we'd be banning condom sales by the end of the year if they get more than their usual share of votes.

Decisions, decisions.
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Old 09.10.2011, 12:01
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Heard a piece on Schawinski's Radio One this week about how few people are showing up to political debates that used to be the way of Swiss politics back in my earlier days. One meeting Winterthur had four candidates and five visitors!

There are a host of issues up for grabs, but no one is really campaigning effectively with them.

If I read all the pamphlets hitting my mailbox, I see the same styled pictures, Photoshopped white teeth and an ear to ear grin with some inane bio telling me that said candidate is married, with 2.3 kids and welcomes open debate and listens to the pulse of the nation. Like whatever.....

And now I'm staring at a beautifully created leaflet styled as a recipe book, giving me encouragement to go vote in two weeks time.

In Canton ZH we get to choose 34 members of the Nationalrat and 2 Ständerat candidates. The Nationalrat list is like a phone book, 30 pre-printed lists of suspects and a couple of empty pages to pick and mix my own combination if I so desire. Democracy has never been so, well, bloody democratic!

The conundrums, how I can I support the Green Liberals nationally when they're trying to stop expansion of Zürich Airport next month? Who the heck to suggest for the Ständerat apart from Gutenschwiler? Can't vote CVP, we'd be banning condom sales by the end of the year if they get more than their usual share of votes.

Decisions, decisions.
Ah, so true.

The strange thing for me is the photos lining the roads. Somebody should tell some of these people to avoid being photographed or to pick other photos.
There are several who look like serial killers, some brainless smilers, a couple of dumb blondes (both sexes) - I could never vote for people who appear like that however worthy their policies.
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Is voting mandatory in Switzerland?
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Old 09.10.2011, 12:13
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The conundrums, how I can I support the Green Liberals nationally when they're trying to stop expansion of Zürich Airport next month?
I refuse to vote for anything with "Green" in its name, be it liberal or not because I think that environmentalism has already gone too far in this country.

Other than that, I hit smartvote.ch and answer the few questions that really matter to me. Then I go through the list of the best matching candidates from the top, have a closer look at them and then I decide who makes it and who doesn't.

Of course it helps if your canton has only a few seats instead of 34.

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Who the heck to suggest for the Ständerat apart from Gutenschwiler?
Honestly, I would have a hard time voting for any of this year's Zurich Ständerat candidates.
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Is voting mandatory in Switzerland?
No, in most Cantons. YES in the Canton of Schaffhausen where you have to pay a penalty of CHF 20.-- or 25.-- if you forget to vote
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No, in most Cantons. YES in the Canton of Schaffhausen where you have to pay a penalty of CHF 20.-- or 25.-- if you forget to vote
Are you serious? I never knew that. That's just plain wrong if you're not pulling our legs. Doing nothing is always a great third option in every sphere of life.
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

I think the penalty is just 3 francs there, not 20. According to statistics the average rate of participation in schaffause in 2010 was 61% vs 44,7% for switzerland as a whole.
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Ah, so true.

The strange thing for me is the photos lining the roads. Somebody should tell some of these people to avoid being photographed or to pick other photos.
There are several who look like serial killers, some brainless smilers, a couple of dumb blondes (both sexes) - I could never vote for people who appear like that however worthy their policies.
I had to laugh at that depiction ... one poster I saw the man's last name was actually 'Killer'! Anyhow, I don't think most politicians, whatever the country, look very sincere ...
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I refuse to vote for anything with "Green" in its name, be it liberal or not because I think that environmentalism has already gone too far in this country.
I have a suggestion for you: Go to live next door to a nuclear power plant, and then retire close to one of the few sites suitable for the stockage of nuclear waste...How much do they pay you for being so smart?
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Old 09.10.2011, 18:57
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I have a suggestion for you: Go to live next door to a nuclear power plant, and then retire close to one of the few sites suitable for the stockage of nuclear waste...How much do they pay you for being so smart?
Actually, nuclear power and GMOs are about the only two issues where I agree with the Greens but I still don't vote for them because I disagree with them on pretty much everything else.
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Is voting mandatory in Switzerland?
Depends on the canton.
In some cantons like Schaffhausen you can get a fine if you don't, in others you're not obliged.


Edit: Wolli got there first. Yup he's correct, you get fined if you don't vote. Ever notice the very high voting turn out for Schaffhausen ?


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I refuse to vote for anything with "Green" in its name, be it liberal or not because I think that environmentalism has already gone too far in this country.

Other than that, I hit smartvote.ch and answer the few questions that really matter to me. Then I go through the list of the best matching candidates from the top, have a closer look at them and then I decide who makes it and who doesn't.
I vote Green very often. It's thanks to the rather strict environmentalism that we have such a beautiful clean country.

It's "Smartvote" that I don't abide to. It disturbs my sense of privacy to have a poll tell me and determine what kind of political citizen I am.
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It's "Smartvote" that I don't abide to. It disturbs my sense of privacy to have a poll tell me and determine what kind of political citizen I am.
I don't quite get your point.

There's no need to use your real name and I see smartvote simply as a useful tool to find candidates I mostly agree with.
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No, in most Cantons. YES in the Canton of Schaffhausen where you have to pay a penalty of CHF 20.-- or 25.-- if you forget to vote
Have they raised it?

Last I knew, it was CHF 5. A friend's son refused to pay it, but eventually did, because they kept fining the fine!

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Old 09.10.2011, 19:54
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I had to laugh at that depiction ... one poster I saw the man's last name was actually 'Killer'! Anyhow, I don't think most politicians, whatever the country, look very sincere ...
well if they are not smart enough to pick a good photo how can you trust them with serious decisions?
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I think the penalty is just 3 francs there, not 20. According to statistics the average rate of participation in schaffause in 2010 was 61% vs 44,7% for switzerland as a whole.
wow, so theoretically you could just get your family and friends to vote for you, hope nobody else bothers to turn up and you are in...

i had to look up the fine in australia (something I have never bothered to do before). $20 fine if you don't vote, but if you don't pay the fine it goes to court and you get a $50 fine plus court costs whatever they may be...
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Are you serious? I never knew that. That's just plain wrong if you're not pulling our legs. Doing nothing is always a great third option in every sphere of life.
Absolutely serious ! And it quite recently was on TV in detail. I only mixed up whether it was 20 or 25 ... what really matters to people affected in SH is not the money really but the big bureaucratic ado in use ! My grandfather until his death in 1955 did not miss a single vote in SH as he considered the SH authorities worse than Paris, Berlin, Königsberg and Moskau combined

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I think the penalty is just 3 francs there, not 20. According to statistics the average rate of participation in schaffause in 2010 was 61% vs 44,7% for switzerland as a whole.
It was CHF 1.-- in wartime, then CHF 2.--, but according to a recent TV report at least CHF 20.--

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Have they raised it?

Last I knew, it was CHF 5. A friend's son refused to pay it, but eventually did, because they kept fining the fine!

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They DO raise it ! And quite thoroughly. And no, it no longer is CHF 5 .

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According to this article from the Swiss television, its 3.- Fr. fine if you don't vote. However, I think thats per vote - so if you vote on 5 issues and you don't bother to rock up its 5 x 3.-
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Ah, so true.

The strange thing for me is the photos lining the roads. Somebody should tell some of these people to avoid being photographed or to pick other photos.
There are several who look like serial killers, some brainless smilers, a couple of dumb blondes (both sexes) - I could never vote for people who appear like that however worthy their policies.


Rudolf Winkler from the BDP is my favourite. Know nothing about the guy, but this poster is down at our train station - cracks me up every morning!
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Rudolf Winkler from the BDP is my favourite. Know nothing about the guy, but this poster is down at our train station - cracks me up every morning!
Quite agree, I don't know anything about him, but I'm fairly convinced that this guy is Dracula, if he'd just smile a little more, I'm sure those fangs would appear.....
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