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Old 10.10.2011, 18:12
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According to this article from the Swiss television, its 3.- Fr. fine if you don't vote. However, I think thats per vote - so if you vote on 5 issues and you don't bother to rock up its 5 x 3.-
Thanks for the explanation. I looked it up on various WEBsites, and got about 5 different tariffs. But if it is per vote, it suddenly makes some sense. I mean in view of the truckloads of votes arriving each time ! ......
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Quite agree, I don't know anything about him, but I'm fairly convinced that this guy is Dracula, if he'd just smile a little more, I'm sure those fangs would appear.....
and a political slogan like

T. Dracula, bewährt, bodenständig und traditionell ! Für eine unabhängige, neutrale und stabile Schweiz !
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Old 10.10.2011, 18:35
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and a political slogan like

T. Dracula, bewährt, bodenständig und traditionell ! Für eine unabhängige, neutrale und stabile Schweiz !
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Mit biss!
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Old 11.10.2011, 11:57
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Saw FDP press announcement today that they do not support cancelling EU bilateral agreements although they do support more control on foreigners entering Switzerland.

Pity it was so late because that was a major negative of FDP for me; anyway I already voted.

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Old 13.10.2011, 20:58
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

"Judgement day" is inevitably approaching. The latest (and I think last) poll came out yesterday (as far as I know, polling is illegal in the last 10 days before the election - don't ask me why!)

It shows slight gains for SVP and SP (but more or less stable given the error), clear losses for FDP and slight losses for CVP. The growth of the greens appears to have stagnated and the clear election winners are the new parties - GreenLiberal and BDP. By and large, there is nothing too surprising in there. My only "concern" are the "other" parties, which here are only getting 1.0% - however that includes various local parties like the Lega de Ticinesi, Movement Citoyene, Christian Socialist, Alternative Left, Liberals (in Basel). Based on past result, it seems inevitable that number for the "others" will be significantly more than 1% - the Alternative Left alone got 1.32%. I think 5% would be a more realistic figure for all the "others" - but that would mean all other parties or just some?) are overrated. Well, we will see...

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Old 14.10.2011, 00:27
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Saw FDP press announcement today that they do not support cancelling EU bilateral agreements although they do support more control on foreigners entering Switzerland.

Pity it was so late because that was a major negative of FDP for me; anyway I already voted.

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What is negative ?
- The FDP always was in favour of the Bilaterals
- The FDP never was for an EU entry
The only party who was and is and will be, in principle, in favour of an EU-entry, is the SP, but few SP people would like to have it immediately and/or at any price
- Back to the FDP, Jean-Pascal Delamuraz devised the Bilaterals as a useful alternative to both full EU membership and the rejected EES scheme, and it for the foreseeable future IS and will be the way to go
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Old 14.10.2011, 00:32
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What is negative ?
- The FDP always was in favour of the Bilaterals
- The FDP never was for an EU entry
The only party who was and is and will be, in principle, in favour of an EU-entry, is the SP, but few SP people would like to have it immediately and/or at any price
- Back to the FDP, Jean-Pascal Delamuraz devised the Bilaterals as a useful alternative to both full EU membership and the rejected EES scheme, and it for the foreseeable future IS and will be the way to go
About "What is negative ?"

I keep seeing FDP posters proposing stronger controls on emigration to CH; no clue how you can achieve this without altering the EU bilaterals.
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Old 14.10.2011, 00:52
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About "What is negative ?"

I keep seeing FDP posters proposing stronger controls on emigration to CH; no clue how you can achieve this without altering the EU bilaterals.
They propose "controls" but are clearly AGAINST altering the EU bilaterals. True there IS a discrepancy. This most likely will lead to a catastrophic result for the FDP in the elections
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Old 14.10.2011, 01:20
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They propose "controls" but are clearly AGAINST altering the EU bilaterals. True there IS a discrepancy. This most likely will lead to a catastrophic result for the FDP in the elections
I completely agree - the electorate are not stupid; I mean most of them are not
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

I feel pity for les Libéraux-Radicaux, it's a party whose ideas I like, but unfortunately its top politicians are not doing a well job.

However I like the entry of les verts libéraux, these guys do seem to be something new in the european scene of green parties that always lean to the left, and I guess they're stealing votes from the PLR too as they are positioned more or less on the same political spectre.

As for the PBD, what's it about? I have no clue on its proposals
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Old 15.10.2011, 19:07
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I feel pity for les Libéraux-Radicaux, it's a party whose ideas I like, but unfortunately its top politicians are not doing a well job.

However I like the entry of les verts libéraux, these guys do seem to be something new in the european scene of green parties that always lean to the left, and I guess they're stealing votes from the PLR too as they are positioned more or less on the same political spectre.

As for the PBD, what's it about? I have no clue on its proposals
It basically is "SVP-Light" which means an SVP without Messrs Blocher, Mörgeli, Köppel, Schlüer. Its proposals are an approval for the Bilateral Process, an approval of Social Security, an positive approach towards city-dwellers. Bad is that the BDP just like the GLP take their voters from the same sector as the FDP
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Old 16.10.2011, 13:31
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

I was explaining the Swiss electoral system to a couple of foreigners yesterday during a long day trip. Getting to think about it made me realize that we have the most overwhelming and least effective democracy on the planet, depending which way you view it.

Given that the ruling Bundesrat has pretty much all the power with its seven members, both the Nationalrat and Ständerat are more or less relegated to the second and third lines of national policy decision making. As the Bundesrat members are sort of divided up by means of the national vote (proportional representation), you need about 15% of the votes for one Bundesrat seat. (That means that the current balance is a fake anyway, with the BDP having stolen the SVP's clear right for a second seat). But what it really means is that there will never be a dramatic one-sided shift in thinking in the Bundesrat unless the electoral system really does change so that the voters could choose the Bundesrat members directly, rather than via the current political jostling and bargaining in Parliament.

The other thing that struck me about Switzerland's politics is that we as a nation rarely blame individuals for any faux-pas that happen with respect to unemployment, inflation or other national issues. That's not to say that we all consensually think that Calmy-Rey did us a favor by shaking the Iranian President's hand, or the way that Merz handled the Libyan hostages, but there's not this scandal or "hold the front page" alarmist stuff in the media about politicians. Boring, effective politics works pretty well here, probably the way it should function elsewhere. We in Switzerland don't seem to blame politicians for daily events when things go south, we accept that they are just elected versions of ourselves.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, get out there and vote, because we get the government we deserve, it's the Swiss democratic way and it is constructed to avoid radicalism or knee-jerk overreactions in our Alpine nation.
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Old 16.10.2011, 14:19
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I was explaining the Swiss electoral system to a couple of foreigners yesterday during a long day trip. Getting to think about it made me realize that we have the most overwhelming and least effective democracy on the planet, depending which way you view it.

Given that the ruling Bundesrat has pretty much all the power with its seven members, both the Nationalrat and Ständerat are more or less relegated to the second and third lines of national policy decision making. As the Bundesrat members are sort of divided up by means of the national vote (proportional representation), you need about 15% of the votes for one Bundesrat seat. (That means that the current balance is a fake anyway, with the BDP having stolen the SVP's clear right for a second seat). But what it really means is that there will never be a dramatic one-sided shift in thinking in the Bundesrat unless the electoral system really does change so that the voters could choose the Bundesrat members directly, rather than via the current political jostling and bargaining in Parliament.

The other thing that struck me about Switzerland's politics is that we as a nation rarely blame individuals for any faux-pas that happen with respect to unemployment, inflation or other national issues. That's not to say that we all consensually think that Calmy-Rey did us a favor by shaking the Iranian President's hand, or the way that Merz handled the Libyan hostages, but there's not this scandal or "hold the front page" alarmist stuff in the media about politicians. Boring, effective politics works pretty well here, probably the way it should function elsewhere. We in Switzerland don't seem to blame politicians for daily events when things go south, we accept that they are just elected versions of ourselves.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, get out there and vote, because we get the government we deserve, it's the Swiss democratic way and it is constructed to avoid radicalism or knee-jerk overreactions in our Alpine nation.
Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf up to the next BR-elections legally is an SVP Bundesrat as she was elected when she still was an SVP-member The question to those in charge is whether the BDP ought to be given a seat in the Federal government or not. My answer is a definite NO, as I do not expect that club to get more than 7% of the votes. In Germany, they with less than 5% would not even be in parliament.

The BR is the "executive" power, which means the one which govern and executes the governing-business. The NR/SR are the "lawmakers" and making laws is what they do.

I think however that the idea of the BR being elected directly by the people is good. The man whose form I signed is a dedicated SVPler and so I warned him that such a direct election might be negative for HIS party in the end All depends on the persons brought up.

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whatever, people who have the right the vote should do so and make their contribution .... some of those wise non-voters might take note that people elsewhere on this planet risk their lives in order to get a bit more democracy
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Given that the ruling Bundesrat has pretty much all the power with its seven members, both the Nationalrat and Ständerat are more or less relegated to the second and third lines of national policy decision making. ...
I wouldn't put it that way. The Federal Council is the executive branch, the National Council and Council of States are the legislative branch. They serve different functions; it's not that the latter two are "lower" in priority.

The fact that the executive body is constituted from the results of the legislative bodies is not unusual (the UK having the obvious example). Direct election of the Federal Council would lead to a system closer to the US presidential system. Watching how recent elections of the US president have passed, I think I will stick with the current method of the selection of the members of the Federal Council.
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"Judgement day" is inevitably approaching. The latest (and I think last) poll came out yesterday (as far as I know, polling is illegal in the last 10 days before the election - don't ask me why!)
Strangely enough, the original polling graph I posted has been replaced with something else... So let's try again, same numbers, different source:

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Strangely enough, the original polling graph I posted has been replaced with something else... So let's try again, same numbers, different source:

Quite good for the Social Democrats, the Green Liberals and the Greens, bad for BDP and FDP. Satisfactory for the CVP, the Catholic party. In case of the FDP, people speak about a catastrophe and them most likely changing the party-chief
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

So, I filled out my voting papers this morning. I did the smartvote thing and sort of mixed in some Jung FDP and Jung SVP-lersinto the mix, but to tell you the truth, the thing that really gained my vote was goat sympathy. Yup, when it really comes right down to it, the EU and the next generation fighter aircraft situation and future energy generation just fades into the background when Zottel gets mentioned.

The goat that gets on the other party's goat is an election winner. You read it here first and in The Local probably around Christmas (2012).
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Strangely enough, the original polling graph I posted has been replaced with something else... So let's try again, same numbers, different source:
If you click on the graph then you get a more detailed report
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So, I filled out my voting papers this morning. I did the smartvote thing and sort of mixed in some Jung FDP and Jung SVP-lersinto the mix, but to tell you the truth, the thing that really gained my vote was goat sympathy. Yup, when it really comes right down to it, the EU and the next generation fighter aircraft situation and future energy generation just fades into the background when Zottel gets mentioned.

The goat that gets on the other party's goat is an election winner. You read it here first and in The Local probably around Christmas (2012).
I hate to break the news to you...

http://zottel-wurst.ch/

RIP Zottel.
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I hate to break the news to you...

http://zottel-wurst.ch/

RIP Zottel.
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