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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Too bad you're all just plain wrong; Zottel lives.

Ain't no mountain high enough.....
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:02
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Too bad you're all just plain wrong; Zottel lives.

Ain't no mountain high enough.....
Good to hear. Zottel is nice, and I do NOT blame him with for "his" party

I was a bit concerned as there ARE people in politics who go to extreme lengths on one side, and people who might think about some Shish Kebab when seeing him
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:09
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

So someone tell me this:

How do I vote?

I've opened the envelopes today and see I must send in 1 of 31 different Wahlzetteln.

But do I need to fill anything out?
Do I need to select names on the party list, or choose an order of preference?
Or am I effectively voting for 1 of 30 different parties, and that is it?

If 1 of 31 parties, why even bother putting the names on the list?

And what is the empty 31st form for?

I must say, I cannot find anything about HOW to fill out these forms

Appreciate answers on HOW, but not on WHO :-) - the WHO I will keep to myself and all my other black sheep family members....
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:16
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

Well, here is the short form.

If you prefer one party that you want to vote for, use their list. You can still scratch and replace candidates.

If you want to mix together a bunch of different (as in different parties) guys/gals to go to Bern, use the empty list to fill out with your preferred politicians.

Can't make it any easier but hopefully still of use to you. It's a pleasure to use the voting and tax papers every year and to find out again how to complete the docs..
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So someone tell me this:

How do I vote?

I've opened the envelopes today and see I must send in 1 of 31 different Wahlzetteln.

But do I need to fill anything out?
Do I need to select names on the party list, or choose an order of preference?
Or am I effectively voting for 1 of 30 different parties, and that is it?

If 1 of 31 parties, why even bother putting the names on the list?

And what is the empty 31st form for?

I must say, I cannot find anything about HOW to fill out these forms

Appreciate answers on HOW, but not on WHO :-) - the WHO I will keep to myself and all my other black sheep family members....
You can
A) take ONE list of choice and use it without changing
B) take the empty list and fill in people of your choice
C) you can take one list and delete some people and add others, also people from other parties

You can have people twice on your list but it is not to exceed the total of 34 . You can for example take the SP list,
- delete some people + add some you want to double
- delete more and add some Liberals and some GLP and some Piraten
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Old 18.10.2011, 19:38
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If you click on the graph then you get a more detailed report
Ah, someone actually found it ;-) Was wondering if anyone would care enough to look for easter eggs or even bother to read them. Seems like most people have turned to more goaty issues!
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Their silly goat is back... and the whole world is talking about it. Somehow methinks the kidnappers have achieved the opposite of what they probably wanted. The only one to profit from the whole drama:
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Old 18.10.2011, 20:53
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Their silly goat is back... and the whole world is talking about it. Somehow methinks the kidnappers have achieved the opposite of what they probably wanted. The only one to profit from the whole drama:
My sausage was delicious.....
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Their silly goat is back... and the whole world is talking about it. Somehow methinks the kidnappers have achieved the opposite of what they probably wanted. The only one to profit from the whole drama:
What have the kidnappers actually wanted ??? possibly exactly what they achieved
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So the kidnapping was an inside job? Someone from the SVP took the goat on a mini-break?
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Well apparently any publicity is good publicity as we've all been told before. I really hope however that it's not true and politics in this country has not reached a new low point where government parties kidnap their own members for political sympathy!
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Well apparently any publicity is good publicity as we've all been told before. I really hope however that it's not true and politics in this country has not reached a new low point where government parties kidnap their own members for political sympathy!
Well I would hope so too but the SVP do seem to take their playbook from the American right where the victim card is played quite frequently.
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Well apparently any publicity is good publicity as we've all been told before. I really hope however that it's not true and politics in this country has not reached a new low point where government parties kidnap their own members for political sympathy!
I'm not too sure that you could call it a "new low point" because that would imply that there was a "high point", which, in relation to this 2011 campaign would be a flat out lie. Rarely have I experienced such a low key and dull pre-election period. In retrospect, the combined political slogan for all of the parties would be something like "There's an election in October, it happens every 4 years, like, whatever....".
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a possibility but not more. But indeed a strong probalitiy

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I'm not too sure that you could call it a "new low point" because that would imply that there was a "high point", which, in relation to this 2011 campaign would be a flat out lie. Rarely have I experienced such a low key and dull pre-election period. In retrospect, the combined political slogan for all of the parties would be something like "There's an election in October, it happens every 4 years, like, whatever....".
Whomever WAS the culprit, to kidnap a goat for politics IS a "low point"
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I must say, I cannot find anything about HOW to fill out these forms
Here's more of an illustration on the 'How to'.
http://www.parlamentswahlen-2011.ch/...anleitung.html
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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

OK, some 14 hours to go until most polling stations open up Sunday. The media is pretty agreed on the outcome, slight gains for both the SP and SVP, the CVP stagnating along with the Greens probably stalling. The Green Liberals might have a slight gain, but the news story will probably be the failure of the FDP to win enough votes to keep their second Bundesrat seat guaranteed. So much for the white collar club that runs through the banking and insurance sector, the military and Rotary Clubs. I'd expect a Fulvio Pelli resignation sometime next week, nice guy, but his party needs new policies to succeed.
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OK, some 14 hours to go until most polling stations open up Sunday. The media is pretty agreed on the outcome, slight gains for both the SP and SVP, the CVP stagnating along with the Greens probably stalling. The Green Liberals might have a slight gain, but the news story will probably be the failure of the FDP to win enough votes to keep their second Bundesrat seat guaranteed. So much for the white collar club that runs through the banking and insurance sector, the military and Rotary Clubs. I'd expect a Fulvio Pelli resignation sometime next week, nice guy, but his party needs new policies to succeed.
Fulvio Pelli is a nice guy indeed but he clearly lacks leadership qualities.

"New policies" ? Difficult to find. They for a while tried to win by moving closer to the SVP and even conduct some "vote-share" with the SVP, with disastrous results. They in some cantons like Zürich were the party of big enterprise and of the banking industry which in political terms also was not positive in recent years. They might invite the CVP or the BDP to merge into the FDP which might be a bit better, as for example the CVP could deliver both a decent party leader and a popular Bundesrätin The FDP in Luzern (traditionally left-of-center/protestant) moved closer to the SP, and lost votes to the Green-Liberals.
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I think it was Maggie Thatcher who said Socialism is great until they run out of other people's money; for a current example look at Greece
Conservatives like SVP love to spend money. On fighter planes, farmers, business subsidies, highways. They just don't like to spend on people that actually need it (like the poor). As for other people's money I don't think SVP voters are on average better off than SP voters. Working class votes SVP these days and they are shooting themselves in the foot.
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Saw this when walking the dogs today; made me laugh

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Re: Swiss Federal Elections 2011

So the voters chose the new flavors in town and left the plain old varieties on the shelf. The question is why people vote BDP and Green Liberals when even those in their own parties don't have clear policies? I guess that's one of the major pitfalls of democracy, it allows the uninformed to offset the informed. I'm not complaining, the results are what they are, but expect those that gained today to lose what they achieved so commendably again in four years time.

At least there are going to be some interesting allegiances made between the new kids on the block and the centrist parties. The FDP is going to have to make some new friends pretty quickly to try at least get some of their ideas through the Nationalrat when parliament returns.
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