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Not exactly. He said he had contact with some EDL members, and they have admitted it. He was also said to have had a "hypnotic" effect on some of them. Or so they say, at least.
To try and equate this nutter, Al Quaeda and the SVP is simply ludicrous. Even the further far right PNoS don't go to these extremes.
But to equate this terrorist and Osama Bin Laden and Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri is not ludicrous.
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The PNOS would nationalise all companies above a certain size. There's a clear smell of the old style right wing about them. I won't evoke Godwin.
Not sure nationalisation was ever a RIGHT wing policy. Socialism tending to communism surely.
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Not sure nationalisation was ever a RIGHT wing policy. Socialism tending to communism surely.
The transition from extreme left to extreme right is pretty seamless so the political spectrum is a circle really.

And nationalisation has often been a right wing policy. The German NPD are also in favour of it (and they like lots of other left wing stuff besides)

The French FN say they want to nationalise all companies who offshore jobs.

It's a very right wing thing.
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You titled him as "the extremist" (even if in the form of a question). To exaggerate does not mean to be an extremist. So, THIS is what I did and do disagree with.

<snip irrelevant bumph about pre-Nazi Germany>

You may now declare that your question did not mean him being an extremist. This may well be true, but it SOUNDED as if
Actually, exaggeration is extremism. Extremism may be defined as holding immoderate opinions, and the OP's statement fits that definition perfectly.

No, I do not declare that my question did not mean the OP was an extremist; entirely to the contrary.

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Actually, exaggeration is extremism. Extremism may be defined as holding immoderate opinions, and the OP's statement fits that definition perfectly.

No, I do not declare that my question did not mean the OP was an extremist; entirely to the contrary.

I re-read the OP's post again right now. Not an extremist but I rather might like to know whether the person is actually domiciled in Switzerland.

Parts of his analysis would be right, parts however were done in error.
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The decade 2001-2010 was the decade of "The war on (Islamic) Terrorism".
This decade will hopefully be the decade of "The war on the Far-Right (scum, terroristic or not)".

- Will the Swiss people be intelligent enough to kick the SVP and reduce its share of votes at the next elections, realizing that it's part of a wider European problem of a violent, fascist, reactionary far-right, that is spreading like a cancer in almost all European countries, and that it's not very different from the Talibans and Al-Qaeda?

or instead

- Is there the risk of someone trying to emulate that Norwegian idiot in CH, considering also the enormous amount of weapons stocked in Swiss homes?
This terrorist from Norway reminds me of the psycho from the movie "Memento"
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This terrorist from Norway reminds me of the psycho from the movie "Memento"
Terrorists ARE psychos Otherwise, they would not believe that terroristic actions are good arguments and further their cause.
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Terrorists ARE psychos Otherwise, they would not believe that terroristic actions are good arguments and further their cause.
Famous psychos:

Wilhelm Tell
George Washington
Robin Hood
Nelson Mandela
Robert the Bruce

maybe whether or not they are succesful differentiates heros from terrorist psychos?

or maybe we are too quick to label enemines of the state as terrorists.

Obviously this Norwegian psycho is in a different class of radicalism than people like maybe Yassir Arafat?

Maybe through misuse the word terrorist has become devoid of meaning?

(Thank you Dubya)
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having lived in a nordic country for a number of years, immediately upon hearing about the bombing i knew that it was a local embittered about foreigners. I was not surprised about it being a local with a manifesto. The only difference between this guy and most nordics, is that he was organised, had a plan and carried out that plan. I'm not sure about which is better, passive hatred which keeps you from integrating or this guy who just bombs you instead. Most nordics think this way, even if they deny it so... Tragic for the victims, tragic for the country as they refuse to acknowledge the resentment towards foreigners of all sorts, not just muslims.
are you saying, they can't stand foreigners generally or only the ones who love mohammed?

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But to equate this terrorist and Osama Bin Laden and Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri is NOT ludicrous.
Ludicrous not.
Had he had wider support,
he probably would have strived for the same.

Thank Goodness that he did'nt.

Let's hope that people with the similar ideas, also don't.

Wishful thinking?

I think not.

As long as UNemployment does not go sky high!

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Ludicrous not.
Had he had wider support,
he probably would have strived for the same.

Thank Goodness that he did'nt.

Let's hope that people with the similar ideas, also don't.

Wishful thinking?

I think not.

As long as UNemployment does not go sky high!
Sorry, old chap: it doesn't even rhyme.

2/10 for effort.

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Terrorists ARE psychos Otherwise, they would not believe that terroristic actions are good arguments and further their cause.

History shows us that terrorism works.
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History shows us that terrorism works.
Did we just get guaranteed another 4 pages?
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Re: Consequences of the Norway shooting on Switzerland

the more I see and hear about this the more times this song spins in my head...

"History never repeats
I tell myself before I go to sleep
Don't say the words you might regret
I've lost before you know I can't forget" - Split Enz
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are you saying, they can't stand foreigners generally or only the ones who love mohammed?



Ludicrous not.
Had he had wider support,
he probably would have strived for the same.

Thank Goodness that he did'nt.

Let's hope that people with the similar ideas, also don't.

Wishful thinking?

I think not.

As long as UNemployment does not go sky high!
Sorry, Had who had wider support ?
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Famous psychos:

Wilhelm Tell
George Washington
Houari Boumedične
Nelson Mandela
Yassir Arafat

maybe whether or not they are succesful differentiates heros from terrorist psychos?

or maybe we are too quick to label enemines of the state as terrorists.

Obviously this Norwegian psycho is in a different class of radicalism than people like maybe Yassir Arafat?

Maybe through misuse the word terrorist has become devoid of meaning?

(Thank you Dubya)
Wilhelm Tell was a terrorist in the view of the German Empire
George Washington was a terrorist in the view of the British Empire
Houari Boumedične was terrorist in the view of the French Republic
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist in the view of the RSA
Yassir Arafat was a terrorist in the view of the State of Israel
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2/10 for effort.




History shows us that terrorism works.
not really
- el Qaeda failed
- the IRA at least up to now failed
- ETA at least up to now failed
- the BaaderMeinhofGang failed
- the Red Brigades in Italy failed
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Sorry, Had who had wider support ?
The man of the moment -- the Norwegian gunman, Breivik.
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Re: Consequences of the Norway shooting on Switzerland

The Norwegian nutter was a nutter.

The media are poisonous.

The SVP are a horrid/nice bunch - depending on your viewpoint.

In rural areas there is a lot of ignorant racism.

Wollishofener is jolly good at history.
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The man of the moment -- the Norwegian gunman, Breivik.

People of such positions seldom get wide support. Parties with radical opinions like the SVP and the Muslim Brotherhood may in elections get above 20%, BUT really extreme mouvements only below 15%, and terrorists like him only a kind of "hesitating" support of less than 2%.

I would not go as far as saying that 2% of Norwegians supported that terrorist, but I DO go as far to say that at least 2% shared his views.
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not really
- el Qaeda failed
- the IRA at least up to now failed
- ETA at least up to now failed
- the BaaderMeinhofGang failed
- the Red Brigades in Italy failed
On the other hand, Israel and Kosova both spring to mind...
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Kosovo ? It was not the result and success of terrorism, rather the contrary, the success of a movement resisting the terrorism of the Milosevic regime

In fact, quite many of the Kosovari leaders had been students at Zürich University, where they must have heard that to pull a provincial governor out of service is honourable
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Kosovo ? It was not the result and success of terrorism, rather the contrary, the success of a movement resisting the terrorism of the Milosevic regime
I don't want to derail this thread about Norway to go into detail about Balkan affairs, but, well...
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