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not really
- el Qaeda failed
- the IRA at least up to now failed
- ETA at least up to now failed
- the BaaderMeinhofGang failed
- the Red Brigades in Italy failed
You mean there is more to come ,I thought they had a peace accord singed ."Done and dusted " my wife would say
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Re: Consequences of the Norway shooting on Switzerland

load of rubbish, totally random incident....we are just are just contextualised by the media...nothing to worry about (i hope)
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You mean there is more to come ,I thought they had a peace accord singed ."Done and dusted " my wife would say
The accord was NOT signed by the IRA but only by some political parties, and so we never know. I DO hope that peace prevails ....................
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Old 27.07.2011, 00:39
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The accord was NOT signed by the IRA but only by some political parties, and so we never know. I DO hope that peace prevails ....................
including a political party that claims to be the political arm of the IRA.

If their word isn't good enough, whose is?
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I don't want to derail this thread about Norway to go into detail about Balkan affairs, but, well...
Please do. Balkan politics / history is far more fascinating
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including a political party that claims to be the political arm of the IRA.

If their word isn't good enough, whose is?
So sorry Sir, but I think it has to be put quite bluntly. Not just the IRA, but a good part of the Catholics in Northern Ireland see their aspiration and aim in Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland in the end. It was their aspiration since the days of Eamon de Valera.

I hope, a British government of the future will agree to a compromise like the one about Hongkong .
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So sorry Sir, but I think it has to be put quite bluntly. Not just the IRA, but a good part of the Catholics in Northern Ireland see their aspiration and aim in Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland in the end. It was their aspiration since the days of Eamon de Valera.

I hope, a British government of the future will agree to a compromise like the one about Hongkong .
Isn't that basically what the agreement says? As soon as the majority in Northern Ireland desire that, that is what will happen. So their ultimate aim hasn't been compromised, on the contrary, it has been accepted as being valid by all parties. That majority will most probably happen at some point as the Catholic community is growing faster than the Protestant one, but it could happen a lot faster if the Republicans and Loyalists build trust and the Republicans can convince them that they would be just as well off in a united Ireland.

I don't think any British government in recent decades wanted to stay in N. Ireland for the sake of it. Cameron has said that if Scotland moves towards independence he wouldn't attempt to prevent that, so why should he act any differently on N. Ireland. Maybe there was a time 50 years ago or more that the British government schemed to prevent Irish freedom and people like de Valera were definitely treated unfairly. But definitely not any more, not for a long time. It was the Republicans who for too long were in denial of the changed circumstances and continued to maintain that the British were still seeking to disposess them.
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If anyone thinks that this Norwegian mass murderer really had a genuine political motive, then you're just being baffled by media bullshit.

Whilst I don't have any more insight into this incidence than anyone else, his behavior is akin to what I would call mentally disturbed. We all have crazy ideas, some more extreme than others, but what happened in Norway Friday, just as has happened in other massacres carried out by mentally disturbed killers, is that the fantasy didn't stay inside his head. Something short circuited in his brain and he overcame the natural balance that most of us have when dealing with extremes and he actually considered that carrying out his appalling acts was a better option than another course. That's psychotic and really dangerous. Not political, whatever he claims. And now the stupid press are doing him the favor of actually publishing all the crap he was on about; way to go. There should be a news black out about his personal extreme manifesto, you lose the freedom of speech when you slaughter nearly a hundred innocent people for absolutely no reason.

This isn't politics folk, it's mental insanity.
ignorance is a bliss...

it's ALL political...this guy was convinced that the muslims will take over europe, he has EXACTLY the same view as SVP...so please don't tell me that this is not political...there are A LOT of people with the same view, and thank god only a few realize their actions...

This guy was not a loner, he was able to flawlessly perform these very complicated "actions", which is NOT something that you can do alone. The operations themselves cost over 500kCHF, and for a person who had not a stable income is impossible to save up to, which means that he had financial support.

It has been similar crimes committed in Sweden (target shooting on foreigners, less victims though), and the persons who did these, said that without recognized parties which said Muslims are a threat to our society they would never had done it...

To summarize, the big recognized parties (see SVP) has to be very careful when they are spreading their propaganda and fear mongering...

If you think that these would never happen in Switzerland you have to very naive...

Now it is up SVP to make a reflection...because if something like this would happen in Switzerland they are indirectly part of the responsibility due to their propaganda and fear mongering!
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Old 31.07.2011, 22:40
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Well, I see many leftists being terrorists as well, so to claim that terrorism is due to "extreme right wing" groups is total BS!

Terrorism is due to extremists, be they left or right.

And the SVP is hardly "extreme right" compared to the US Republican party, and many others.

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last major left wing attack in Western europe was 1993 by RAF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

I have not heard about any left wing terror attack in US or in Western Europe...although right wing happens more often...nice trend thanks to the propaganda and fear mongering spread by the new uprising of extreme right wing parties all over europe...thanks!
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...So ignore the Norwegian shooter - he didn't kill those people because of anything he believed...
ignore?...really?

He killed all these people ONLY because he believed! He was totally convinced that muslims are a threat to europe and that the Social party was helping the muslims with the "take over"...

The police in Norway and Sweden has said that they have focused too much "Islamic terrorism" and not right wing extreme groups, and they said that this will change...The police is NOT seeing this is a single (he was NOT alone) nut case so why should you?

These persons are inspired by the right wing propaganda blowing across europe...this is truly dangerous...almost 80 young norwegians lost their lives due to it...
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Yes, I'm quite sure that the SVP is very far from the murderous, totalitarian, despotic regime of the Taliban and the murderous, dogma-driven, blind fury of al-Qaeda.

We are very fortunate to live in a genuinely democratic country. The prominence of the SVP here is entirely due to the choice of the citizens of Switzerland. They do not live in fear of the SVP, afraid that if they vote for any other party they will have limbs amputated or loved ones murdered.

Statements likening the SVP to extremist groups such as the Taliban and al-Qaeda are hysterical and hyperbolic. Wolli, have you ever seen the SVP or its followers advocate the complete destruction of any group of people? Ever witnessed murders sanctioned by the party? Cheered as acolytes of the SVP engineered acts of mass slaughter in the name of some fanatical ideology? No? Then calm down. We expats and a minority of Swiss voters may find the SVP objectionable, even despicable, but they're not even in the same "class" (for want of a less flattering term) as the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

By the way, what's the meaning of your reference to "the past 15 months"?
No, SVP are worse because their propaganda and fear mongering is accepted...they see people as groups (same as the nazi's) and not as people - human beings...I don't believe that they care though, it's a easy way to obtain power, blame somebody who is not able to vote, it's convenience...they don't even present solutions for the "problems" because they don't want solutions...

Right wing extreme parties are the real danger for europe...
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Old 31.07.2011, 22:58
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Famous psychos:

Wilhelm Tell
George Washington
Robin Hood
Nelson Mandela
Robert the Bruce

maybe whether or not they are succesful differentiates heros from terrorist psychos?

or maybe we are too quick to label enemines of the state as terrorists.

Obviously this Norwegian psycho is in a different class of radicalism than people like maybe Yassir Arafat?

Maybe through misuse the word terrorist has become devoid of meaning?

(Thank you Dubya)
although Wilhelm Tell didn't exist (shhh don't tell the Swiss)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Tell
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There is a very interesting interview with an old schoolmate of the Norwegian killer here which is worth reading.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/9550635.stm

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"I do not know what drove Anders. But, unfortunately, I do not think he is crazy.It would have created a comfortable distance between us if I thought he was.

Nothing I know about him from our school days or what I have read in his so-called manifesto suggests that.

Rather, he is cold, intelligent and calculating.

The Anders I knew was not a monster.

And as the saying goes, he was not an island. He was product of our society. He was one of us."
My emphases throughout.
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There is a very interesting interview with an old schoolmate of the Norwegian killer here which is worth reading.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/9550635.stm

My emphases throughout.
Yes I red a lot and saw a lot of Norwegian and Swedish media, the guy was friend with foreigners when he grew up, he came from a middle-over class family, he was like everyone else...

It was when he joined the Framstegspartiet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Party_(Norway) similar to SVP when it comes immigration and foreigners,
his friend told that he changed from being a "normal" guy to a muslim/foreign hating person...

Anders Behring Breivik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Breiwik) has exactly the same opinions (in his manifest) like Geert Wilders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders) and one of the SVP propaganda spokesmen Oskar Freysinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Freysinger) have...
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So will the neo-nazis in CH be gathering in the filed in Uri for August the 1st this year
Or will that be policed a tad more carefully ....?

PS He was a random nut job - he chose whatever doctrine supported is actions. It had nothing to do with idealism, politics or anything else ....

he wanted to leave his mark and be remembered for ever. For some people that is important ...

Wolli - the IRA and Sein Fein are the same thing> Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness ran the IRA in NI. So they did sort of sign on behalf of their organisation.
The "Real" IRA is something different apptly . Essentially gangsters ....
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I have not heard about any left wing terror attack in US or in Western Europe...
Provisonal IRA, Real IRA, ETA, all left-wing groups

It's not the left to right scale that defines how dangerous someone is, but extremism in any direction is dangerous.
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Provisonal IRA, Real IRA, ETA, all left-wing groups

It's not the left to right scale that defines how dangerous someone is, but extremism in any direction is dangerous.
Reg Brigades, Baader-Meinhof, Charles Manson, Weather Underground, etc.
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Re: Consequences of the Norway shooting on Switzerland

be careful what you spout and believe. The truth may not be what the mass media is trying to infiltrate in our brains...
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be careful what you spout and believe. The truth may not be what the mass media is trying to infiltrate in our brains...
Could you elaborate - that's a bland piece of quasi militant sloganeering , without some sort of context
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ignorance is a bliss...

last major left wing attack in Western europe was 1993 by RAF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

I have not heard about any left wing terror attack in US or in Western Europe
Yours included if you believe the above.

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Now it is up SVP to make a reflection...because if something like this would happen in Switzerland they are indirectly part of the responsibility due to their propaganda and fear mongering!
What a load of cr$%, if individuals cant control themselves stop lumping them into the same bin as people do with 'muslims'. Switzerland has its set of loonies just like anywhere else i.e. Zug shootings. Things like this can and do happen in the least likely places. Stop sounding so extreme with your 'right wing' bashing.
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