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Re: Foreigner voting rights proposed in Zurich

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If a foreigner pays taxes here then he/she should have the right to vote on what the income is used for.
This is what started the US war of Independence "no taxation without representation"
Yeah but many people in the US flat-out refuse to pay taxes...
I think only citizens of a country should be able to vote. And like Assassin, I don't vote in the other country I am a citizen of as I don't understand enough about how it all works and probably won't live there in the foreseeable future.
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Old 05.08.2011, 19:57
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like Assassin, I don't vote in the other country I am a citizen of as I don't understand enough about how it all works and probably won't live there in the foreseeable future.
Likewise.

I stopped voting in the US when I became Swiss, just didn't seem right.

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Old 05.08.2011, 20:07
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Likewise.

I stopped voting in the US when I became Swiss, just didn't seem right.

Tom
But then this thread isn't about swissies with a second citizenship who don't use their voting right there. It's about foreigners who have been living here for a long time and probably call CH home. Whether they should be allowed to participate in local elections.

I'm actually a bit undecided about this issue. My first thought was that people who had been here for 10 years are surely well integrated. On the other hand I've been here for 1.5 years and barely speak a word of french...
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Old 05.08.2011, 20:12
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Yeah but many people in the US flat-out refuse to pay taxes...
I think only citizens of a country should be able to vote. And like Assassin, I don't vote in the other country I am a citizen of as I don't understand enough about how it all works and probably won't live there in the foreseeable future.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune"

Why should a lot of unemployed Swiss be able to vote & decide what to do with foreigners hard earned tax money??
When the foreigners have no means to influence what it is used for?
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Old 05.08.2011, 20:13
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But then this thread isn't about swissies with a second citizenship who don't use their voting right there. It's about foreigners who have been living here for a long time and probably call CH home. Whether they should be allowed to participate in local elections.

I'm actually a bit undecided about this issue. My first thought was that people who had been here for 10 years are surely well integrated. On the other hand I've been here for 1.5 years and barely speak a word of french...
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Old 05.08.2011, 20:34
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But then this thread isn't about swissies with a second citizenship who don't use their voting right there. It's about foreigners who have been living here for a long time and probably call CH home. Whether they should be allowed to participate in local elections.
Um, Duhhh!

I am not a "swissie with a second citizenship", rather a former American who for a while became dual.

I became Swiss so I could vote AGAINST the EU, etc.

You want to vote? Do as I did and BECOME SWISS!

Please pay attention!

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Um, Duhhh!

I am not a "swissie with a second citizenship", rather a former American who for a while became dual.

I became Swiss so I could vote AGAINST the EU, etc.

You want to vote? Do as I did and BECOME SWISS!

Please pay attention!

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Did you give up your US citizenship? Just curious, I know it's a pain in the rear now for US citizens living outside the country. A few people I know are giving it up or considering it.
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Old 05.08.2011, 20:52
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But then this thread isn't about swissies with a second citizenship who don't use their voting right there. It's about foreigners who have been living here for a long time and probably call CH home. Whether they should be allowed to participate in local elections.

I'm actually a bit undecided about this issue. My first thought was that people who had been here for 10 years are surely well integrated. On the other hand I've been here for 1.5 years and barely speak a word of french...
Depending on the details, I might vote YES, But a NO is certain, as in many places with a majority of foreigners (Glattbrugg = 65%), the CH "natives" fear to lose command. While it in rural places with "native" majorities of 99,5%, it of course will be even worse. So that my guess is a 73,862% NO
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"He who pays the piper calls the tune"

Why should a lot of unemployed Swiss be able to vote & decide what to do with foreigners hard earned tax money??
When the foreigners have no means to influence what it is used for?
Don't push the limits of Swiss hospitality or it will come back and bite you in your foreign bum.
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Old 05.08.2011, 20:57
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"He who pays the piper calls the tune"

Why should a lot of unemployed Swiss be able to vote & decide what to do with foreigners hard earned tax money??
When the foreigners have no means to influence what it is used for?
Switzerland does NOT have a lot of "unemployed", rather to the contrary. This is the reason why foreigners on all level are required by the economy (of all fields).
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Old 05.08.2011, 21:13
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Um, Duhhh!

I am not a "swissie with a second citizenship", rather a former American who for a while became dual.

I became Swiss so I could vote AGAINST the EU, etc.

You want to vote? Do as I did and BECOME SWISS!

Please pay attention!

Tom
I did pay attention. Re-read the OP is my advice.

I don't want to vote in Switzerland for the moment because I might be ones of those that turn their back on CH at some point. I don't want swiss citizenship either, I'm fine with the passport I have.

But if I had voting rights I would make use of them. What makes you think I'd vote against my hosts?
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Old 05.08.2011, 21:19
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Don't push the limits of Swiss hospitality or it will come back and bite you in your foreign bum.
Actually I am Swiss but I am not therefore automatically obliged to adopt chauvinism and xenophobia.
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Switzerland does NOT have a lot of "unemployed", rather to the contrary. This is the reason why foreigners on all level are required by the economy (of all fields).
Good answer...
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I did pay attention. Re-read the OP is my advice.

I don't want to vote in Switzerland for the moment because I might be ones of those that turn their back on CH at some point. I don't want swiss citizenship either, I'm fine with the passport I have.

But if I had voting rights I would make use of them. What makes you think I'd vote against my hosts?
That you at some point may leave Switzerland is no argument against your voting in Switzerland, or at least participating in opinion polls etc. Many CH citizens may leave CH at age 65, just to give an example. But far more important for Switzerland will be to lower the minimum voting age, which already GOT lowered from 20 to 18 further down to 16 or 15. These teenagers may not have wisdom and experience with them, but will help to outbalance the dementia-ridden octogenerians who will in a not too distant future make up a big part of the "native" population.
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Yes, I did, back when it was still the only thing the US Embassy would do for FREE!

(thanks guys, you were all very nice)

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The proposal would allow foreigners who have lived at least 10 years in Switzerland and three years in Zurich to vote locally.
Am I the only one reading the small print? That's only two years before you can become Swiss! Completely pointless initiative - no matter what side you are on.

Either let foreigners vote locally (as they do in the EU) or not. Either way, this suggestion is rubbish.
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Re: Foreigner voting rights proposed in Zurich

EU citizens from one country living in another EU country are allowed to vote in European Parliamentary elections and local council elections in the host country. I had the vote in the Netherlands when I lived there.

Of course if depends one whether you class the Netherlands as major and/or industrialised.

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Show me how many other major industrialized nations allow foreigners to vote. Some don't even grant citizenship through birth.
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I don't believe that foreigners can vote in other countries can they ?
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I don't believe that foreigners can vote in other countries can they ?
The Maastricht treaty introduced european citizenship, amongst others "the right to vote and to stand as a candidate for European and municipal elections in the State in which he or she resides".

(oops, like nickbasel said)
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Re: Foreigner voting rights proposed in Zurich

The longer I watch the EU blunder along, the less I want to join or apply rules and regulations that they have, so to me it's irrelevant what they do.
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