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Somewhat amazed that the ones against giving foreigners a vote on local issues are American and Canadian by birth. Wonder why?
Because they earned the right to vote by going through the laborious process of attaining citizenship, and might be a bit miffed to see others earn it merely by virtue of living somewhere, perhaps?

Mind, it makes me chuckle to see naturalised Swiss arguing with Eidgenossen over the influence of foreigners on Swiss politics...
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Because they earned the right to vote by going through the laborious process of attaining citizenship, and might be a bit miffed to see others earn it merely by virtue of living somewhere, perhaps?

Mind, it makes me chuckle to see naturalised Swiss arguing with Eidgenossen over the influence of foreigners on Swiss politics...
I sometimes find naturalised citizens scary!
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I don't really believe that he was asking for his blood to be cleansed. I believe he was stating his point of view as someone who was born in Switzerland and a Swiss citizen. Switzerland is a denocracy and whether you have the right to vote or not you have the right to free speech. If you disagree with the proposal then it is your right to vote against it. But may I remind you that you as an American are still a guest in this country, the same as the people you say aren't worthy to have a say in how their taxes are spent and they can revoke your citizenship if they so wish.
Ok you want to put it that way...I'm a guest with benefits with a Swiss Passport so I'm an "elite guest" how's that, jealous?LOL...It makes a world of difference...and what about you? I've stayed in Switzerland more years than USA...just think I've had my Swiss Citizenship longer than some "natural blue blood Swiss"...LOL
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You clearly know nothing about Britain nor the British. Are you seriously suggesting that those committing so called honour killings are above British law? There has been 1 proven case in the last 10 years and the killer is behind bars.

As for British politics - you are clearly ignorant in that department.

I agree the UK is turning into a shambles but that has more to do with lack of investment and 30 years of mismanagement than immigrants.
Good we can agree on something..one of the reasons it's turning into a shambles is because of the very things we are writing about. It seems that they've lost their backbone. British citizens feel that immigrants or foreigners have more rights than they do. In other words if they complain about the immigrant situation then they're being racist. When actually they're just stating a concern about the welfare of their country.
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Ok you want to put it that way...I'm a guest with benefits with a Swiss Passport so I'm an "elite guest" how's that, jealous?LOL...It makes a world of difference...and what about you? I've stayed in Switzerland more years than USA...just think I've had my Swiss Citizenship longer than some "natural blue blood Swiss"...LOL
We all have a right to to our say and I don't deny that biut what is funny is everytime I reply to you st2lemans comes along like a little puppydog to groan me!
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We all have a right to to our say and I don't deny that biut what is funny is everytime I reply to you st2lemans comes along like a little puppydog to groan me!
I don't normally groan people, but I think I owed you one. Even though your comment was funny..
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British citizens feel that immigrants or foreigners have more rights than they do.
Some British citizens feel that, and they are mistaken.

It is worth observing, by the way, that quite a lot of the people perceived by some British citizens as 'immigrants' or 'foreigners' are actually British citizens themselves.
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Re: Foreigner voting rights proposed in Zurich

Well here goes: Adolf wasn't German and look at the chaos he caused
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I don't normally groan people, but I think I owed you one. Even though your comment was funny..
I know you don't Old Shep does!!
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Re: Foreigner voting rights proposed in Zurich

Sadly I have here only 2 years. But I am supportive
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The "been" was missing above...
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A christian certainly couldn't go into a muslim country and build a statue of Christ with all the wrappings either.
But there are churches with churchtowers, also new ones in most Muslim countries. Add to this that Muslims by their religion are not allowed to build statues of the Prophet

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Not in Saudi Arabia, but in most Muslim countries

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"She" ? where exactly ? do you again mean Saudi Arabia. The KSA is as irrelevent for the world as is the Vatican.
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But there are churches with churchtowers, also new ones in most Muslim countries. Add to this that Muslims by their religion are not allowed to build statues of the Prophet


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Not in Saudi Arabia, but in most Muslim countries



"She" ? where exactly ? do you again mean Saudi Arabia. The KSA is as irrelevent for the world as is the Vatican.
I prefer these quotes to to the earlier ones
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It is worth observing, by the way, that quite a lot of the people perceived by some British citizens as 'immigrants' or 'foreigners' are actually British citizens themselves.
you may be correct, but the problem is that many aren't. And the Brits feel that those that are aren't holding to the British values that they cherish. The country is becoming something different in their eyes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-Britons.html This is how many British feel, at present.
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The country is becoming something different in their eyes.
Well, it is 2011, not 1958, so it's no wonder the country is a bit different.

The problems in Britain lie with the British people, not some non-existent foreign bogeymen.

BTW, quoting the Daily Mail isn't going to help your argument. I love the paper, but it isn't to be taken seriously as a source of information about the United Kingdom.

You'd be better off quoting Viz...
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Honestly I'm sick and tired of reading about religion in topics like this. I neither have the desire to live in Saudi Arabia or the Vatican. I wish religon could butt out of politics. We have laws regarding equality and all countries should stick to them.

Now back on topic: Honestly I'm not fussed if I can vote or not. I would use my right if I had it though. I would also say though that there should be tests to ensure they can speak the language and knows how the political system works here.

We always hear about how foreigners should integrate. This would be a perfect opportunity to encourage that process. I've lived in my current village for 5 years and have no affinity with it whatsoever. It really is only the place where I live. I mean it took me 3 attempts to find the new Migros after it got renovated! I don't inform myself about what's going on in town as my opinion doesn't count anyway. If I could have a say then I'd definitely read up on the topic.

It is regularly reported that villages are increasingly having trouble to fill their executive positions. I'm sure that blocking 20% of the population from participation isn't helping. Personally I would possibly consider participating if I could. This lack of willing people by the way is a big reason in the increasing fusion of villages here.


Regarding the opinions that you should get the Swiss pass if you wanna vote. I would argue this degrades the pass. Everyone who I know who got the pass through citizenship don't feel Swiss. They just got it because it has certain benefits for them. I could get the pass but I haven't cause I'm not Swiss and will never feel Swiss.

Turning Posperity's argument around, I don't see how I swiss person who has lived in the village for 2 months has a better idea of what's better for it than a foreigner who has lived there for 20 years.

And also regarding the Swiss pass being a sign of willingness to stay here: There's only 2 reasons why I'd get it. The first funnily enough is because I would be contemplating leaving the country and I would like to have no problems moving back here and wouldn't want to pay tax at source.

The other is as an insurance against any future anti-foreigner policies
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Well, it is 2011, not 1958, so it's no wonder the country is a bit different.

The problems in Britain lie with the British people, not some non-existent foreign bogeymen.

BTW, quoting the Daily Mail isn't going to help your argument. I love the paper, but it isn't to be taken seriously as a source of information about the United Kingdom.

You'd be better off quoting Viz...
Let's have a Viz discussion!
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