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While browsing on wikipedia I had a quick look at the list of political parties in Switzerland and did a double take at the last name on the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_Switzerland

Clicking on it, I didn't know what to expect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_...of_Switzerland

It's becoming more and more bizarre. They have a website.

http://www.pirateparty.ch/

WTF. Seems if 150 people get together they can form a political party with an anti x-rays in airports stance, not wanting to pay excess duty on blank CDs but wanting to keep high book prices, ... and that's pretty much it. Oh and you can also pay 13.50 Chf for a piece of tin foil for your passport .
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Compared to another party, S*P, they seem to be very sensible chaps.
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Cool, neat website in English!!!
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Old 12.08.2011, 23:10
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Aahhhhhh ....
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http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics...l?cid=28965942

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the Swiss Pirate Party, which registered the new Wikileaks.ch domain name earlier this year, said the Swiss registrar had confirmed it would not block the site. PostFinance, the financial services arm of Swiss Post said it was closing Assange’s account.
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While browsing on wikipedia I had a quick look at the list of political parties in Switzerland and did a double take at the last name on the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_Switzerland

Clicking on it, I didn't know what to expect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_...of_Switzerland

It's becoming more and more bizarre. They have a website.

http://www.pirateparty.ch/

WTF. Seems if 150 people get together they can form a political party with an anti x-rays in airports stance, not wanting to pay excess duty on blank CDs but wanting to keep high book prices, ... and that's pretty much it. Oh and you can also pay 13.50 Chf for a piece of tin foil for your passport .
Nothing bizarre about it. And to be against the book-prices binding means that you are against the high prices as ordered by a central command for books until a few years ago. This means that the party is against high prices of books but on a free market of books and so relatively LOW prices. True, for most bookshops it is quite normal to make book-purchases via the Buchzentrum "www.buchzentrum.ch" which of course tells you the "UVP" which is the "recommended sales price".

Nice to see another protest party, which might rob some votes from the party of that entrepreneur on the GoldCoast (Ghana) of Zürich
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Re: Pirate Party

Welcome to Switzerland's newest political movement. I'm a founder member of the Vaud section, and we're about a bit more than just airport X-Rays, more about where our digital (yes, it does exist) societies are heading, and just how much government surveillance you want in your lives, to say nothing of corporations. Think of the Greens in the 70s, they were tiny, well now they're present anywhere that has proportional voting. We hope to be the next Greens, with less fractious/divisiness (this is all my humble opinion of course). There are fellow Pirate Parties in a number of other countries, in Europe and in North Africa, if you're interested.
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Re: Pirate Party

I only clicked on this thread to see when and where I was going to breakout my blackbeard costume and go get all sauced up.


Stupid politics.
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I only clicked on this thread to see when and where I was going to breakout my blackbeard costume and go get all sauced up.


Stupid politics.
You should have come over to Hastings last week

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Welcome to Switzerland's newest political movement. I'm a founder member of the Vaud section, and we're about a bit more than just airport X-Rays, more about where our digital (yes, it does exist) societies are heading, and just how much government surveillance you want in your lives, to say nothing of corporations. Think of the Greens in the 70s, they were tiny, well now they're present anywhere that has proportional voting. We hope to be the next Greens, with less fractious/divisiness (this is all my humble opinion of course). There are fellow Pirate Parties in a number of other countries, in Europe and in North Africa, if you're interested.
Wish you the best for your party ! But I hope you are aware that your party is not the first protest party. Just an example. The LDU (Landesring der Unabhängigen = Union of the Independents) after being founded by Gottlieb Duttweiler rose to national prominence, was in Cantonal and municipal governments and parliaments and also in both chambers of the Federal Parliament. When it gradually went out of fashion, it under the leadership of Franz Jäger (onward from 1985) became "green" and moved to the left-green spectrum and lost out and finally was dissolved. Some former protest parties are still existing but with voters shares of below 2% and so rather irrelevant.
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Re: Pirate Party

Don't worry, I do remember them. There was also a Car Driver's Party that made it to the Federal Assembly in the early 90s. They mostly seem to have merged into the ever growing SVP.
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Re: Pirate Party

Your party is a lot more regular than the Monster Raving Looney Party that's been around since the 80's in the UK, possibly earlier. They used to be led by Screaming Lord Sutch but I believe he has died.

Their Manifesto from the last General Election:
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The Official Monster Raving Loony Party is lauching our Manicfesto. Well thought out, Diverse and free from the knee jerk policies of the other parties we are confident that this manicfesto will stir the great British public to vote for us.

1. Health & Safety: We propose to ban Self Responsibilty on the grounds that it may be dangerous to your health.

2. M.P’s Expenses: We propose that instead of a second home allowance M.P’s will have a caravan which will be parked outside the Houses of Parliament. This will make it easier as flipping a caravan is easier than flipping homes

3. Eurofit: The European Constitution which will be sorted out by going for a long Walk. “As everyone knows that walking is good for the constitution”

4. The speaker in the House of Commons will be replaced by the latest audio equipment

5. To help the Israel/Palestinian Problem, we will get rid of the old road map, and replace it with a new sat nav instead

6. European Union: It is proposed that the European Union end its discrimination by creating a “Court of Human Lefts” because their present policy is one -sided.

7. Education: We will increase the number of Women teachers throughout the education System as we are strong believers of ‘Female Intuition’

8. Immigration and Population: I propose that we cap the population of this country. We have too many people for such a small country, so we will Cap the number of people residing here at present rates (approximately 63 million, give or take 10 mill ) on the basis of one out, one in (excluding Births).

Regarding Immigration… Any Person who can prove that they or their descendants emigrated to the U.K before 55 A.D can stay. All the others will be repatriated to their original country. (Well we have to draw the line somewhere)

9. We will ban all forms of Greyhound racing. This will help stop the counrty going to the dogs.

10. Afghanistan, Iraq and the War on terror. Theirs nothing funny about this. however as we have not found any taliban terrorists in Derbyshire. Our Soldiers can all come home now.
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Don't worry, I do remember them. There was also a Car Driver's Party that made it to the Federal Assembly in the early 90s. They mostly seem to have merged into the ever growing SVP.
They still exist. Under the name Freiheits-Partei = Freedom Party, but are rather irrelevant now. The SVP is NOT "ever-growing". They in important test elections in Basel and Zürich lost ground. I cannot tell you what the results in the federal elections for the two chambers of parliament will be as nobody can, I however hope that they either stagnate or even come back down a bit. Even in THEIR case, the "protest" aspect starts no longer to work. Mr Blocher quite successfully transformed a conservative party of farmers and small traders into an aggressive far-right party. That the SVP sounds like a Buddhist prayer-mill and repeats itself always is a chance for necomers like your party.

Your party in the longer run will have to establish its clearly defined platform, with a catalogue of positions and demands. Many of the ideas I hear from you and your buddies reminds of the (absolutely positive !!) positions of the FDP (Liberals) of the late 18-hundreds and the upto 1980 20th Century. Which is a good and sound basis. The problems of the FDP are basically TWO. One is that they in many places depend on certain corporarations closely linked to that party and the other one is that the FDP Kantons-Parteien are very different.

THIS shows TWO sides of the same coin. You can try to keep a party fixed on clearly specified positions, but then if you overdo this, risk split-aways like the BDP . I don't know the future as I am not a clairvoyant, but I expect more splits in case of the SVP
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Your party is a lot more regular than the Monster Raving Looney Party that's been around since the 80's in the UK, possibly earlier. They used to be led by Screaming Lord Sutch but I believe he has died.

Their Manifesto from the last General Election:
Do not forget that the British system of absolute majority-ism (the full voting area falls to the one with the most votes, possibly in a second run) is bad for new and small parties, while the Swiss system of "proportionality" (several people elected on the basis of the proportional share of votes for their party) is good for new parties. If you add to this that in small and large Swiss cities and towns you not only elect the City president but quite directly each minister of the city government, this means that a small party even can get people into city governments. In Zurich, one of the most popular and prominent City Presidents, Sigmund Widmer, was of the above-mentioned LDU .

The "party" you mentioned above of course knew right from the beginning that they would and could NOT have any running chance to get into the "apparatus". And so of course wrote their "platform" accordingly. I mean, look to the Ticino. There, it was the weird idea of the badly-behaving punk-like son of a rich construction-tycoon that the Ticino needed a party of Ticino nationalists. The young boy had studied at the ETH, was/is well linked up in Zürich, speaks and writes German perfectly and so clearly knows and understands what goes on in German speaking Switzerland. Not surprisingly afterall, his "Lega dei Ticinesi" is successful. My father on a professional "visit" was invited by HIS father for lunch, who complained and moaned about HIS son You of course have to imagine that Mr Bignasca Senior was a Ticinesi gentleman of the old school

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Your party is a lot more regular than the Monster Raving Looney Party that's been around since the 80's in the UK, possibly earlier. They used to be led by Screaming Lord Sutch but I believe he has died.
Screaming Lord Sutch commited suicide in June 1999. His successor, Lord Tiverton, died just a few months later, without ever taking his role as chairman of The Monster Raving Loony Party
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Screaming Lord Sutch commited suicide in June 1999. His successor, Lord Tiverton, died just a few months later, without ever taking his role as chairman of The Monster Raving Loony Party
leaders of new parties in CH are NOT lords and usually neither commit suicide nor pass away prematurely
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leaders of new parties in CH are NOT lords and usually neither commit suicide nor pass away prematurely
Neither of them were official Lords. They were titles they 'bestowed' upon themselves.
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ARRRR! This would convince me even more to move to Switzerland!
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Neither of them were official Lords. They were titles they 'bestowed' upon themselves.
To "bestow titles onto yourself" in Switzerland is a punishable offence
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To "bestow titles onto yourself" in Switzerland is a punishable offence
They may have purchased them. It is possible to buy some titles in the UK. They do not give you a seat in the House of Lords though. They tend to be purchased by eccentrics.
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They may have purchased them. It is possible to buy some titles in the UK. They do not give you a seat in the House of Lords though. They tend to be purchased by eccentrics.
Sure, there were comparable things in Switzerland as well. The Escher family got the right to be "von Escher" in view of what they did for the country. The "von Salis" who could continue to be "von Salis". Or the family from the place Muralto (Huguenots) who of course were "di Muralto" and were allowed to carry the name "von Muralt"

Or, look at France, where the last Mr "D'Estaing" could transfer his title/name to his administrator, a Mr Giscard (grandfather of the later President).

However, right in general, people out of "noble" families are not in the habit of founding new parties
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