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Oh great Switzerland is filled with bible thumpers......... I'm 23 years old and have never ever ever had religion lessons in public school and i started school in 1994....
I presume they taught you useful soft skills like tolerance and social interaction instead.
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Re: Should religion lessons in public schools be discontinued?

I don't think teaching individual religions should be done at schools- this should be for families to teach, if they choose. Instead I think religious education is acceptable where children are exposed to various world religions and are pretty much taught the key elements (eg history, where the religion is predominantly, what 'tools' they use, special celebrations/festivals etc etc) of the religions to expand their world knowledge.
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I don't think teaching individual religions should be done at schools- this should be for families to teach, if they choose. Instead I think religious education is acceptable where children are exposed to various world religions and are pretty much taught the key elements (eg history, where the religion is predominantly, what 'tools' they use, special celebrations/festivals etc etc) of the religions to expand their world knowledge.
Agreed. Religion is so important in a historical context that it should not be overlooked in education.
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Oh great Switzerland is filled with bible thumpers......... I'm 23 years old and have never ever ever had religion lessons in public school and i started school in 1994....
Neither did I and I started school in the late 50s! I don't think religion as such should be taught in schools, that is a matter for the various religious establishments. However, discussing religions within a larger framework of philosophy, etc, should be allowed.
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The Holy Grail is not a goblet from which the disciples drank at the last supper.
Many such golden goblets made this claim however.

Believers paid money to gaze at many such goblets in many churches.

The Holy Grail is the blood offspring of Mary Magdalene and Jesus ( sang royale) or holy blood- line of Jesus, who was of the royal House of King David.

The only " goblet" or receptacle was Mary Magdalenes womb, which carried not wine, but the children of Jesus. the church had an interest in making people think that there was a magical goblet, to distract from the royal blood line.

Jesus children would have had a powerful claim to His teachings and leadership of the young congregation of jewish and Greek believers in Jesus. As did Mary. They had to be eliminated and wrote out of history. They are thus not mentioned in the bible.

The Temple Knights searched frantically for the marriage and birth certificates of Jesus and Mary and their offspring while in Jerusalem. They are probably today in a safe under the Vatican.

Each Jewish boy had to be circumcised and get married. Jesus was Jewish. Joseph his father, made sure he married.

If Jesus had not married, the bible would say so. And Mary would not have been allowed to wander around with a group of men, unless she had been married to one of them. She was present at Jesus side all through the bible.

On Jesus death, Mary, fearing for her own life and more persecution, fled and their orphaned children married into French royalty. She too was of the royal household.

When you enter a church and see the Madonna and Child, who is it? Jesus and His mother? Or Jesus' wife Mary Magdalene, with Jesus' child? Why does a Madonna have an illuminated crown if she is not royalty?

The legend of the holy grail has been misunderstood for centuries. Actually, it is to be understood symbollically and is related to mysticism.

It is aimed at the "true seeker", who is typically a person who is searching for something or some meaning to their life but without knowing exactly what it is they are searching for.

Usually, this type of person will change jobs hundreds of times, read every book under the sun, travel from land to land but still have the feeling they are looking for something. At a certain point they will probably become interested in religion and philosophy and read up on everything related /religions past and present, pyscology, philosophy.

When the "seeker" realises after a certain amount of seeking that actually all things are related, all religions are basically the same and is connected to pyscology and philosophy, the seeker then pieces the bits of the puzzle together in his own mind to an absolute certainty that he has found the truth he is looking for, it is said he has found the holy grail.

Someone who has found the holy grail, can be described as a chalice for the holy spirit i.e. the holy spirit can enter the body via the brain and from that point things get better and better in that person's life.

(Went to a lecture on the holy grail by George Trevelyan in the 1970's, who gave the most likely explanation to the legend).

Think maybe they should teach this in schools instead of religion.
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The legend of the holy grail has been misunderstood for centuries. Actually, it is to be understood symbollically and is related to mysticism.

It is aimed at the "true seeker", who is typically a person who is searching for something or some meaning to their life but without knowing exactly what it is they are searching for.

Usually, this type of person will change jobs hundreds of times, read every book under the sun, travel from land to land but still have the feeling they are looking for something. At a certain point they will probably become interested in religion and philosophy and read up on everything related /religions past and present, pyscology, philosophy.

When the "seeker" realises after a certain amount of seeking that actually all things are related, all religions are basically the same and is connected to pyscology and philosophy, the seeker then pieces the bits of the puzzle together in his own mind to an absolute certainty that he has found the truth he is looking for, it is said he has found the holy grail.

Someone who has found the holy grail, can be described as a chalice for the holy spirit i.e. the holy spirit can enter the body via the brain and from that point things get better and better in that person's life.

(Went to a lecture on the holy grail by George Trevelyan in the 1970's, who gave the most likely explanation to the legend).

Think maybe they should teach this in schools instead of religion.
This is your opinion and is just as valid as GarryBasel's. Personally I prefer the hypothesis that Jesus married and had a child/children as it fits the likely historial facts. But then I'm not religious so only the possible historical side of religion is of interest to me.

That people should strive to better themselves spiritually if they want to is fine with me, but that is the various religions' job to teach it, not schools, although I suppose it might fit in a philosophy setting for teaching purposes.
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This is your opinion and is just as valid as GarryBasel's. .
Actually, it's not just MY opinion. It is a well recognised fact in mystic circles.
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Actually, it's not just MY opinion. It is a well recognised fact in mystic circles.
It is a well recognised belief in mystic circles. And surely what all religions should be helping their members to aspire to.
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It is a well recognised belief in mystic circles. And surely what all religions should be helping their members to aspire to.
The search for the grail is an inner process and/or journey into the unexplored areas of the soul. It is approached by those who have purged themselves, are celibate and show obedience to God. Keep searching
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This is your opinion and is just as valid as GarryBasel's. Personally I prefer the hypothesis that Jesus married and had a child/children as it fits the likely historial facts. But then I'm not religious so only the possible historical side of religion is of interest to me.

That people should strive to better themselves spiritually if they want to is fine with me, but that is the various religions' job to teach it, not schools, although I suppose it might fit in a philosophy setting for teaching purposes.
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Actually, Medea's theory is shared among a great amount of historians. I made my first bachelor degree in history and it was the belief of many of my lecturers.
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Ah, now you're making an assumption that I want to purge myself, be celibate and obedient to God. I don't, I'm an agnostic.
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Re: Should religion lessons in public schools be discontinued?

In answer to the original question:

100%, definitely.

Religion, in my opinion, is slight variances of the same story, mostly BS, to bring about mass control and effectively enslavement.

I would argue less than 10% of anything anyone is taught in religions today is of any relevance to some partial truths, the rest is crap. Personal agenda rubbish.

Instead I think children should be encouraged to seek their own truths, seek their own answers, and teachers should not be aligning themselves with curiculum that is clearly horse shit.

That said, I got an A in RE.

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Ah, now you're making an assumption that I want to purge myself, be celibate and obedient to God. I don't, I'm an agnostic.
Not making any assumptions about you at all. Just saying that if someone wants to find the grail - that is what they have to do.

Anyway, the grail legend is equivalent to the legend of Isis in ancient Egyptian mythology, you know - where the lover of Isis is cut into hundreds of pieces and she spends until eternity to search for the missing pieces and piece them all back together again.
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Actually, Medea's theory is shared among a great amount of historians. I made my first bachelor degree in history and it was the belief of many of my lecturers.

This is the "outer" version which distracts us from the "inner" version.
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Instead I think children should be encouraged to seek their own truths, seek their own answers,
That said, I got an A in RE.

That's my opinion too JordanBarr, but the religions are a good place to start. After all, one has to start somewhere and the religion one was born into seems to be the best place. Think it's ok to teach religion in school so long as it's not taught as dogma, which I don't think it is.

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The way religion is taught in the UK is excellent - it looks at the main traditions, festivals, etc, for the younger students. Then moves on to look at certain themes and philosophical issues of different religion when faced to certain situations, like birth, death, or ceremonies and rights of passage. At a more senior level, students will look at the attitude of different religions re. different moral dilemmas, like euthanasia, abortion, the death penalty, etc.

The only two issues I have with this, is that RE is usually taught by people who have a strong faith and are often tempted to favour one way of thinking above the over- and find it difficult to stay neutral (as I have found with colleagues and my daughters' RE teachers). The other problem is that humanism/secularity and atheism are barely touched upon, and not put forward as totally acceptable forms or moral framework- and that too often the premise seems to be 'any religion is good- but no religion = lack of morality, which is totally wrong as far as I am concerned.

Here in Switzerland, that does NOT exist. And as usual, there is a whole array of different frameworks, depending on the K/Canton, and whether it has a clear Catholic or Protestant majority. Here, we are a traditionally Protestant Canton. When I was a child, Catholics were a very small minority. Since the big Italian immigration of the 50s and 60s, the Spanish of the 70s and Portuguese of the 70s/80s - Neuchatel is about 50/50. So children have the choice of having religious education in either of the above 2, and it is optional. EDucation in either religion should have no place as part of the curriculum, and be an entirely private choice, outside the school day.
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Re: Should religion lessons in public schools be discontinued?

Please don't scrub religion lessons. Please, you need to think. What should our children bash their heads about in the future ? Where will all the fun be ?
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Yes. well I was rather shocked that the first thing the teacher asked me when my children started school was what religion they are and then the priest came into the school to give RE lessons.

Don't think it was taught dogmatically though as neither of them seems to have a clue about christianity, unless they deliberately play dumb.
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