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Old 28.11.2009, 17:35
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Please keep this to Swiss immigration. If you'd like to discuss UK immigration, start a new thread of find a relevant one in the search.

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If you'd like to discuss UK immigration, start a new thread of find a relevant one in the search.
Or even better: Sod off back to England, stand for Parliament on an anti-immigration ticket, get voted in, become Prime Minister, send all the buggers back, then watch as the economy collapses.

Now back to Switzerland, which is quite a lot more interesting than a wet island in the North Atlantic...
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I haven't lived in the UK since the early 80s so I am not claiming to have any expertise as to whether the UK is overcrowded with non-integrating immigrants, but your whole concentrating on the past 10 years vs the 30 previous years of mass migration seems politically motivated.

To be honest, it isn't politcally motivated.

I am puzzled however that you find posting facts and figures cited in the Guardianto be politcally motivated.

Still, back on topic...

There are facts in there about Switzerland luckily.

22% of people here were not born in Switzerland.
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22% of people here were not born in Switzerland.
I think an investigation should be launched into the link between a low sperm count and the childhood consumption of Rivella.

If the indigenous population made more babies, they wouldn't have to rely on us foreigners to keep things ticking over for them, no?
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All immigration controls are politically and economically motivated.
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There are facts in there about Switzerland luckily.

22% of people here were not born in Switzerland.
Zurich has always been the playground of Europe, formerly for the wealthy on short stays, now for just about everyone on longer stays.
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Old 28.11.2009, 17:47
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If the indigenous population made more babies, they wouldn't have to rely on us foreigners to keep things ticking over for them, no?
Well they'd also have to get advanced degrees and training rather than live off their wealth. And they'd have to stop taking 1 hour coffee breaks and 2 hours lunches.

We're imported slaves. The best paid in the history of mankind.
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Old 28.11.2009, 17:52
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P.S. I can't believe this thread is still going. I wonder how many times now the themes have been recycled. I am guessing every 4-6 months.

They let me in so they can't be that racist. Although my shortened name may have disguised my true ethnicity.
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So sorry, but "mass immigration" into the U.K. was a direct result of the British Empire. You cannot rule more than a third of the globe, and then, when your dream collapses, hide away and retreat from taking the results and accept responsibility. Millions of people around the globe up into the 1940ies/50ies/60ies had British passports. Had all those British passport holders decided to get into Britain, the U.K. now would have some 250 Mio. inhabitants, and would indeed be a rather crowded place ! So simply relax and be happy

Happily relaxed. Just in a country whose rules I prefer.
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Old 29.11.2009, 11:02
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P.S. I can't believe this thread is still going. I wonder how many times now the themes have been recycled. I am guessing every 4-6 months.
Yes. Particularly we've already discussed and partly debunked the Labour/Mass Immigration article yonks ago on another thread.

Let's keep this firstly to Switzerland and secondly, try to avoid repeating stuff already posted and discussed before?
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Actually the Shengen treaty was sanctionned by popular vote, so rather than the politicians the majority of the population is to blame. Blimey, aren't we stupid us swiss people ? Good thing we import well learned foreigners to teach us the error of our ways..
It wasn't the Shengen Agreement that has created the problem, it was more the recent agreement that let EEc members live and work freely in Switzerland.

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Let me get this straight: you are a british citizen, who escaped your own country because an invasion of state-welfare-abusing-immigrants rendered the life there insufferable. So you come here (as an immigrant) telling us to close the door (to immigrants) shouldn't our country suffer the same fate.
oh sweet irony! .

Of course, that is not to say that you and your pairs are nothing like those marrow suckers. First, you're polite and well-educated - well, proper british people - you have a highly-paid, gratifying job useful to society... And you pay your taxes (and use our banking services thank you very much).

Well with this treaty, sadly, it looks like switzerland isn't going to turn into a safe heaven of white supremacists, and the buggers you so adamantly wished to flee are going to catch up to you. Isn't life unfair.
I should point out that I have Swiss Nationality and it was the first nationality I had

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On a more positive note, let me at least congratulate for your fantastic adaptive capabilities. For a foreigner to bash on strangers (well not all strangers admittedly, only the more...eeh... exotic ? No, third-world like ? ), this is integration indeed
It isn't difficult for me having a Swiss-German father and North Italian mother.

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If I may however give you some advice, you should however be a tad more prudent in that exercise. See, poorly educated turks or africans of whatever kind of infurtunate fellows seeking a better life in europe typically ends up doing ungratyfing (albeit useful) jobs like cleaning, garbage collectors, hard labor in construction sites, picking vegetables in the fields - that is all kind of things no educated swiss people are willing to do anymore (not that we look down on them, those of us fortunate enough to have received a good education just expect more of life).
That is to say, they are no competion, and we need them.
We didn't actually need them in the UK as one wouldn't need them in Switzerland. It was purely because people didn't want to do those jobs which is exactly the same in Switzerland because people were brain washed that they were not the kind of jobs one should do.

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You however, highly trained and educated foreign fellows, are our direct competitors in the job market, and so many swiss people aren't so much irked by the local balkanic bricklayer as he is to the german or british manager who nicked his promotion..
The Swiss might not be irked yet, but when the "manager" positions go, then maybe they will.
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Old 29.11.2009, 12:19
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It wasn't the Shengen Agreement that has created the problem, it was more the recent agreement that let EEc members live and work freely in Switzerland.



I should point out that I have Swiss Nationality and it was the first nationality I had



It isn't difficult for me having a Swiss-German father and North Italian mother.



We didn't actually need them in the UK as one wouldn't need them in Switzerland. It was purely because people didn't want to do those jobs which is exactly the same in Switzerland because people were brain washed that they were not the kind of jobs one should do.



The Swiss might not be irked yet, but when the "manager" positions go, then maybe they will.

what created the basis for "the problem" was a part of the problem. And what according to Mrs Leuthardt went wrong was that they in the Federal government did not invoke a particular part of that part of the Bilaterals which would limit immigration from the EU. Her statement however unfortunately is rubbish, as she spoke about jobless EU people in Switzerland instead of having the courage to name the "problem" and that is that many Swiss feel that there are too many GERMANS in Switzerland now. But a lot of people who care for you at the dentist, in hospital and elsewhere and who drive your train are what ? Germans Germans Germans. I suggest to all those Swiss who now complain about "THESE Germans" do have surgery done by family members, not take car or train but walk home from downtown, and tear ailing teeth out when they start hurting ! And Mrs Leuthardt might develop the courage to give things the correct name, which is not jobless EU immigrants but GERMANS !




and now over to your management jobs. The management of Nestle is in German hands, ABB is managed by a group of Swedish managers, Orange has a Swiss-German CEO but the commands are given by Telecom France. The manager of Swisscom is a German. If you check up with the Handelsregister you can find that thousands of "Swiss" companies, even such with full Swiss ownership are managed by foreigners.

But look at ABB. Many of these Swedish managers not only stay on but marry a non-Swedish wife, have children here, not only personally become Swiss at least in reality, and their children are Swiss (whether just in reality or even legally does not matter).

Look into history. Engineers Brown (GB) and Boveri (It) established Brown Boveri (now 50% of ABB), German engineer Sulzer established the Sulzer conglomerate, Italian immigrant Maggi established the food company, Italian immigrant Orelli (together with Mr Füssli) established Orell Füssli, the son of Italian immigrants ... Mr Pestalozzi was useful in improving education, Italian immigrants Muralto (now vonMuralt) became nicely known, Austrian immigrant Mr Baur established both the Baur-en-Ville/Savoy and the Baur-en-Lac, the son of immigrants from Germany Mr Nestle established a company to produce chocolate, and let's not forget Mr Calvin, the man from Normandie who spent quite some time of his life in Paris before migrating to Basel and Geneve.

Enough "foreign" managers ?

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To be honest, it isn't politcally motivated.

I am puzzled however that you find posting facts and figures cited in the Guardianto be politcally motivated.

Still, back on topic...

There are facts in there about Switzerland luckily.

22% of people here were not born in Switzerland.
Sure but at least half of them now are Swiss citizens. And strange is if (as I mentioned above) right-wingers of Italian origin like Mr Bortoluzzi now claim that when he immigrated "immigrants tried their best to integrate and assimilate, and were not involved in crime" while in reality rightwing Swiss in exactly those times complained "they do not integrate and do not assimilate and are to a heavy extent in crime".

Another aspect is that quite many of them either are sons and daughters of "Ausland-Schweizer".

Where you are born is irrelevant by Swiss law anyway.
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Well they'd also have to get advanced degrees and training rather than live off their wealth. And they'd have to stop taking 1 hour coffee breaks and 2 hours lunches.

We're imported slaves. The best paid in the history of mankind.
Far better paid than those people from Italy, Spain, ex-Yugoslavia and Turkey who were recruited in the 1950ies and 60ies by Swiss recruiters who went to those countries to find people to do the low-salary jobs and the negative prestige jobs overhere
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If the moderators choose to move this post to another thread, I understand, but I think it's best that I begin it here.

It light of their apparent victory at the polls in banning minarets, will the SVP move to make changes in Swiss immigration policy? If so, what will they be?

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It light of their apparent victory at the polls in banning minarets, will the SVP move to make changes in Swiss immigration policy? If so, what will they be?
I think those are very different issues. And as the RSR (French speaking radio) pointed out the people who voted "yes" to the ban are not all from SVP and UDF, but come across the whole political spectrum. This issue was way more emotional. Swiss people will continue to vote for immigration rules that allow the Swiss economy to grow.
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If the moderators choose to move this post to another thread, I understand, but I think it's best that I begin it here.

It light of their apparent victory at the polls in banning minarets, will the SVP move to make changes in Swiss immigration policy? If so, what will they be?

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They have done so in the past and will try to do so in the future. And they now will go down the road with anti-Muslim things until the meet defeat. As the saying goes "Der Krug geht zum Brunnen bis er bricht" .
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As the saying goes "Der Krug geht zum Brunnen bis er bricht" .
"The pitcher will go to the well until it breaks." Right?

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I think those are very different issues. And as the RSR (French speaking radio) pointed out the people who voted "yes" to the ban are not all from SVP and UDF, but come across the whole political spectrum. This issue was way more emotional. Swiss people will continue to vote for immigration rules that allow the Swiss economy to grow.
Actually, that is a good point.
In referendums, do the Swiss vote as individuals or do they just follow what their party recommends?
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