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Old 23.08.2011, 22:59
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Well, first they would have to start electing presidents!

Tom

P.S. They are, in fact, elected, but not by the people. And normally, they simply take turns being president (though this doesn't always happen).
There is a popular vote in the pipeline, launched by SVPlers, but enjoying heavy support from many people from right to left, in support to the members of the Bundesrat being elected directly by the people
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Old 24.08.2011, 11:40
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Hopefully one day the color of skin will no longer be an issue anywhere.
That will put the solariums out of business for a start.
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Old 24.08.2011, 23:40
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That will put the solariums out of business for a start.
Don't confuse color with pigmentation/melanin
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Re: Swiss Obama

I (and probably most other Swiss people) think that the whole race and political correctness stuff is extremely overrated in the US. It makes no diffrence if a politican is black or white or mixed or whatever. I hope you didn't vote for Obama just because he is black. Because it's just not the point.
We need the 7 best people for our Bundesrat. If 3 of the 7 best candidates are gay half-black half-albanian jews. So what! (and even I as a SVP-voter say this ) But if they are all old white men. It's just as good.
And since there aren't as many blacks in CH and most of them are from poor countrys with bad education, this is not very likely to happen in the next couple of years. But it has nothing to do with race, it's all about qualifications.
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Old 26.08.2011, 16:36
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Actually thinking about this...who would be better to represent them than a person who is half Swiss/half visible minority (or just a Muslim) who would give them cover for all their racism. A useful idiot ..."
Why is it that if such a person represents the left wing then that's a sign of openness and tolerance, whereas if such a person represents the right wing it is assumed he or she must be a useful idiot? Who is it that is stuck in some rut of prejudice?
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A) Nobody is elected Federal President
B) The "presidency" rotatates among the Federal Councillers
C) With Mrs Dreyfuss, a Jew for the first tiime ever became Federal Pres.
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Not to hijack thread, but this is related: We are (non-practicing) Jews, and I read w/ minor interest a stat that all of 12 out of some 7,000 were Jewish in Pfaffikon. And of course I heard about the 'no' vote on mosques.

All of which got me thinking - I don't know the Swiss at all - but how accepting have you found the country, to Americans, to Jews, to 'multiculturalism' generally? (for the record, I hate hate hate that term!)
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... Pfaffikon...

RussianRiverKids, here on EF we often jokingly refer to canton Schwyz as 'The Heart Of Darkness'.

YMMV, but most jokes are born out of some grain of truth...


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RussianRiverKids, here on EF we often jokingly refer to canton Schwyz as 'The Heart Of Darkness'.

YMMV, but most jokes are born out of some grain of truth...


-MC, Furriner in SZ.
Thanks MC, but it would be even more helpful if you told me which sort, or from whose perspective, is said 'darkness'! I suspect you mean very conservative/old world/closed, but maybe I'm upside down on that?
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Old 27.08.2011, 10:58
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Not to hijack thread, but this is related: We are (non-practicing) Jews, and I read w/ minor interest a stat that all of 12 out of some 7,000 were Jewish in Pfaffikon. And of course I heard about the 'no' vote on mosques.

All of which got me thinking - I don't know the Swiss at all - but how accepting have you found the country, to Americans, to Jews, to 'multiculturalism' generally? (for the record, I hate hate hate that term!)
Not really related to your questions, but very interesting is that Amin-Travel owner Prof Dr Ahmed Amin (univ. of Cairo + Zurich, he originallly Muslim but his family Christian)



after the Minaret-voting found out that far more Jews with CH-citizenship than Muslims with CH-citizenship (per capita) had participated in the vote.

His interpretation was that the Jews apparently have a far better feeling and sensibility for political and social developments ....... -
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back to your questions :

- multiculturalism ? favoured by some 30%, opposed by some (other) 30% and tolerated and encouraged under "conditions" by 40%

- US Americans : have in general always been popular here, I mean as people. US-Presidents ?
Harry Truman = rather popular
Ike Eisenhauer = quite popular
JFK = extremely popular
LBJ = quite popular at the beginning
Richard Nixon = in between
Gerald Ford = fairly popular
Jimmy Carter = fairly popular
Ronald Reagan = mildly UNpopular
George Bush SENIOR = fairly popular
Bill Clinton = very popular (still)
GWB JUNIOR = generally detested
Barack Obama = very popular
- I dare say that these "ratings" are really majority-
wise, but that there were/are people who differ is
clear

Jews ? a rather "bad" question, as while a clear majority
favours tolerance or has some sympathies, there is a
minority which is clearly ANTI-Jewish. If you look back
into history and see that Adolf Hitler came to power
with the support of some 30% of whom maybe 70%
(= 20%) were anti-Jewish, it is clear how dangerous
this can be. If you look east and west, you can see
to what extent "gone" Mr Haider and "starting" Mrs
Le Pen got/get success. Over to Switzerland. No, the
SVP is not a party of Jews-haters, but it is clear that
people who hate people from the Mediterranean and
from "deep" Africa and from Asia hardly "love" Jews
-- there in the past were interviews with insightful
Mr Bubis in Germany and there are at times absoluty
amazing and insightful interviews with the Supreme
Rabbi (Haut Rabbinat de Paris) of Paris in regard to
this topic, fully applicable to Switzerland also
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Old 27.08.2011, 11:05
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RussianRiverKids, here on EF we often jokingly refer to canton Schwyz as 'The Heart Of Darkness'.

YMMV, but most jokes are born out of some grain of truth...


-MC, Furriner in SZ.
I am not so sure whether "RRK" is in Pf.../SZ or Pf.. am Pfäffikersee

while the "Russian" in connection with "Jews" points heavily to Ashkenazy and not Sephardi


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Thanks MC, but it would be even more helpful if you told me which sort, or from whose perspective, is said 'darkness'! I suspect you mean very conservative/old world/closed, but maybe I'm upside down on that?
In case it is Pfäffikon/SZ on the Zürisee, it is in SZ but like much of the "March" still in Zürich-Suburbia, while "deeper-inland-SZ" is widely regarded as the "Canton of Congo"


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while the "Russian" in connection with "Jews" points heavily to Ashkenazy and not Sephardi
Na, und...?
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Thanks MC, but it would be even more helpful if you told me which sort, or from whose perspective, is said 'darkness'! I suspect you mean very conservative/old world/closed, but maybe I'm upside down on that?
As in Conrad...

If openness towards diverse cultures is important to you, Schwyz might not be your first choice of cantons. Ausserschwyz, of low tax fame, attracts folks from all over the planet, but the local resentment is apparent. Even the foreign gazillionaires, while useful for funding the town budget, are nonetheless just a little bit beyond the Pale.

Some towns are more open than others. If you are considering living in SZ, choose wisely.

But if you are up for the challenges of integrating, if you accept that the onus is on you to conform to the social norms, if you like small town or village life - then you can live a very happy life in one of the most beautiful parts of Switzerland.

But as a square peg in a round hole - not so much.

But then again, head up into the gorgeous mountains and the Darkness starts to lift a little.

Best of luck to you and your family.

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In case it is Pfäffikon/SZ on the Zürisee, it is in SZ but like much of the "March" still in Zürich-Suburbia, while "deeper-inland-SZ" is widely regarded as the "Canton of Congo"
The Congo starts at Baech.
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They in reality differ in their views to an unbelievable and incredible extent. Just sit together with an A... and a S... in a Romanian Pub in Tel Aviv and you will be stunned

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They in reality differ in their views to an unbelievable and incredible extent. Just sit together with an A... and a S... in a Romanian Pub in Tel Aviv and you will be stunned
I still don't understand how that's relevant to the question.
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...thing is, the Swiss president is elected by the Parliament from their own members, not the citizen electorate, so it's hard to say if a Swiss Obama would get elected and what that would represent.
FYI.....Lesbians and gays actually have higher chances and priorities in many fields in Switzerland, you wouldn't even imagine how many top executives are gays here, they're also the least to get mobbed and fired from jobs (Sort of having some kind of immunity)
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This is very interesting. I wonder if gays and lesbians on this forum would agree with you, but that is probably off-topic.
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I still don't understand how that's relevant to the question.
It is, as I mentioned right at the start of that post, completely and absolutely IRrelevant to the question, but is of paramount importance to both the topic and to the person who started the topic
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FYI.....Lesbians and gays actually have higher chances and priorities in many fields in Switzerland, you wouldn't even imagine how many top executives are gays here, they're also the least to get mobbed and fired from jobs (Sort of having some kind of immunity)
Sure, but they do not look different from the others. And Mr Obama here in Europe would have been accepted as Giovanni Falcone or Mahmoud Ahmadi anytime.

Mr Obama appearance-wise is closer to Mr Berlusconi than to for example Patrice Lumumba
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It is, as I mentioned right at the start of that post, completely and absolutely IRrelevant to the question, but is of paramount importance to both the topic and to the person who started the topic
I'm not the OP but I guess I'm the poster you refer to, and while I appreciate your taking the time to comment (really, not being facetious) I can't for the life of me understand why I should care about this. But maybe I stated my question poorly: All I really wanted to know, or at least ask for EF's help in assessing and thinking about, was the cultural perspective of the Swiss on those of us 'invaders' that are 'different', whatever that may mean, and of course Jewish (per another respondent above, in the ethnic/cultural/historical sense, not the practicing religious sense) seemed as good a litmus test as any, for all the painfully obvious reasons, given the history...

Anyway, thanks for chiming in, and my apologies to the OP for the hijack.
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