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Old 28.08.2011, 18:25
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

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You can wash your hands, you can't keep washing your face.
Huh, why not? Wash hands, wash face at the same time. Works every freaking time for me.
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Old 28.08.2011, 18:36
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The limits are when as a man you have to climb out of an elevator if you are alone because a woman climbs in. (As per published as advise in American anti-sexual harassment handbooks.)
Um, wait. Trying to figure out the logistics of this. Climbs in? Like in a stalled elevator? Why would anyone do that? Have I got it wrong?
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Old 28.08.2011, 18:46
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Huh, why not? Wash hands, wash face at the same time. Works every freaking time for me.
Do you also get the make up running all over?

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Old 28.08.2011, 18:58
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Do you also get the make up running all over?
No, I don't plaster gunk all over my skin. But you raise a very good eeeeewww point of view....that women don't wash thier faces during the day. Gross, I now know which side of the fence I sit when it comes to the kissing thing. Handshakes will be it for the girls from now on.
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Old 29.08.2011, 09:19
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I am not sure what kind of professional setting you would think about hello kissing a lady dressed like this...
My girlfriend's lawyer's secretary is generally dressed like that!

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Old 29.08.2011, 09:55
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

I was wondering whether to post here or not.

I don't know about you guys, but during the common day, my face is usually not in dirty places that would demand a thorough washing like hands do...

Coming from a country where a woman very rarely greats with a hand shake, it has been quite difficult for me to deny 25 years of kiss on the cheek "hello" or "goodbye".

Kissing on the cheek greeting is an art, has different variations, most of which there is no contact between lips and cheek itself. This horror of "not being able to wash your face" is completly alien to me. Which cheek are you actually thinking about and how exactly do you think a cheek kiss is done? You do know there is not tonguing, right?


People on Thursday nights in the Viadukt already know it freaks me out to shake hands when saying hello. To my culture, and as a woman, it's like an insult. It means I mistrust/ am disgusted/ am creeped out by you.

Good think sexual harrassment rules change from country to country!
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Kissing on the cheek greeting is an art, has different variations, most of which there is no contact between lips and cheek itself. This horror of "not being able to wash your face" is completly alien to me. Which cheek are you actually thinking about and how exactly do you think a cheek kiss is done? You do know there is not tonguing, right?
I was also wondering what the big to-do was all about. I guess this is the outcome of the super-clean, disinfecting generation that we have become. I watched a documentary quite a few months back and it featured a woman who did an experiment where she didn't wash or bathe herself for 8 weeks. She had kids and was allowed to wear gloves when preparing their food or dealing with medical issues for them but otherwise not.

After 8 weeks they took swabs from her from a range of areas (hands, feet, hair, armpits, etc) but they couldn't find bacteria on her in sufficient quantities to cause harm to herself or anyone else.

We share door handles and all sorts of stuff on a daily basis where hundreds of people have touched or sneezed or coughed. It's only if someone is actually ill with some kind of transferable sickness that we run the risk of getting sick and even then it has to get through our frontline defences.

We weren't equipped with an immune system for nothing! Although some of us seem to be intent on destroying it with a constant obsession of removing any kind of bacteria from our person and immediate area.
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Old 29.08.2011, 10:29
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

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We weren't equipped with an immune system for nothing! Although some of us seem to be intent on destroying it with a constant obsession of removing any kind of bacteria from our person and immediate area.
Which, of course, makes one MORE susceptible to disease as one won't build up anti-bodies!

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Old 29.08.2011, 11:15
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

For me it is not about catching a bug from a door handle that freaks me out, it is to know that someone goes to the bathroom and doesn't wash his hands after.

You'll be surprise how much poo and pee they found on hands after a study on the subject. I don't remember which documentary it was on ITV4.

And people go around and spray their urinations and defecations all over the place.

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Old 29.08.2011, 13:03
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

There is a complete disregard for cleanliness

and

There is an obsessive approach to cleanliness

Both are equally as bad in their own ways.
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Old 29.08.2011, 13:26
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Re: Office etiquette: should kisses be banned?

I suppose it is a cultural thing. In many Muslim countries women and men are not even supposed to shake hands. One of the biggest insults is to be offered the left hand. I hate the act of a cheek proffered in expectation of kiss in the wind, it seems so pretentious to me. If I like someone I'll kiss them. If not Ill just say hello.
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Old 29.08.2011, 13:53
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I hate the act of a cheek proffered in expectation of kiss in the wind, it seems so pretentious to me.
hmmm, something about "when in Rome......."

Of course when I am working in Riyadh, I would never dream of even talking to a woman let alone trying to shake her hand or kiss her on the cheek. In Thailand you put your hands together and bow. In England shake hands. In some cultures kiss on the cheek.

Don't like the local customs, I would suggest that living somewhere else would be a good idea as telling people that thier local traditions are pretentious can result in them being quite offended. I know I would be.
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hmmm, something about "when in Rome......."

Of course when I am working in Riyadh, I would never dream of even talking to a woman let alone trying to shake her hand or kiss her on the cheek. In Thailand you put your hands together and bow. In England shake hands. In some cultures kiss on the cheek.

Don't like the local customs, I would suggest that living somewhere else would be a good idea as telling people that thier local traditions are pretentious can result in them being quite offended. I know I would be.
OK, Ill try.
Maybe I should start a new political party based on office etiquette like the one which wants to ban power point presentations in favour of white board
. I haven't figured out how to paste links on my phone, but google and you'll find it if interested
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Old 29.08.2011, 14:13
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ban power point presentations in favour of white board


Don't get me started on that....lol.

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Old 29.08.2011, 14:17
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hmmm, something about "when in Rome......."

Of course when I am working in Riyadh, I would never dream of even talking to a woman let alone trying to shake her hand or kiss her on the cheek. In Thailand you put your hands together and bow. In England shake hands. In some cultures kiss on the cheek.

Don't like the local customs, I would suggest that living somewhere else would be a good idea as telling people that thier local traditions are pretentious can result in them being quite offended. I know I would be.

I'm not too familiar with many foreign workplaces, but I have heard that in some oriental countries, the short bow/nod is the respectful way---I personally think that's a very good standard to adopt.
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OK, Ill try.
Maybe I should start a new political party based on office etiquette like the one which wants to ban power point presentations in favour of white board
. I haven't figured out how to paste links on my phone, but google and you'll find it if interested

now how about smartboards--they are essentially white :P
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Old 29.08.2011, 14:23
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the short bow/nod is the respectful way---I personally think that's a very good standard to adopt.
Sorry, once again, why would we (I am going to include myself as a resident trying to integrate) want to adopt some practice or peice of culture from the other side of the planet. What is wrong with the culture and practices here?

I love the bowing when I am there, I love the kissing when I am here. Diversity is a GOOD thing!!!!!
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Old 29.08.2011, 14:25
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Sorry, once again, why would we (I am going to include myself as a resident trying to integrate) want to adopt some practice or peice of culture from the other side of the planet. What is wrong with the culture and practices here?

I love the bowing when I am there, I love the kissing when I am here. Diversity is a GOOD thing!!!!!

For culture in the country--do as the country wants. No issues there.

I'm considering in an international workplace, which has to cater to various foreign workers with different cultural expectations. Certain rules of conduct need to put in place if your country can't seem to find enough workers from your own culture.
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Old 29.08.2011, 14:27
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