Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration] - Page 121

marton · #**2401** 18.02.2014, 18:44

	Quote:	cannut
	Yea right swiss are people are stupid .Let me tell you my feelings .For me Switzerland has become to small in 1965, that`s why I never returned. Back to the vote "Swiss people want a cap on immigration ".Just because You like to live in a city like London means noting to us .Most swiss people like to live in in a country style environment. If the loosing some monetary comfort , so be it

About "Most swiss people like to live in in a country style environment" - probably true but most Swiss actually live in a city style environment.

OSueco · #**2402** 18.02.2014, 18:45

	Quote:	dawiz
	8000 was more than the number of people coming in with the regular quota system in place until the Bilateral treaties went into effect. Anyway - the bilateral way is dead now and the more of those condescending comment I keep reading here the more I think that this is probably a good thing.

before the bilaterals 2 that way more than 8000 coming to Switzerland each year...

and you DO know this is a forum and the threads here has absolutely NO impact on what will happen...right?

cannut · #**2403** 18.02.2014, 18:46

	Quote:	OSueco
	if the Swiss don't want so many immigrants why did they agree to it in the first place? Your statement doesn't make any sense if you look at the whole history of immigration in Switzerland, i.e. what you are stating is the opposite of the todays situation which the Swiss people has decided on... I assume nobody forced the Swiss to accept all these people coming here or? so what you are also saying regarding cap immigration = cap density = smart = 50% of Swiss are not smart?

How many did they agree in the first place ?

OSueco · #**2404** 18.02.2014, 18:56

	Quote:	cannut
	How many did they agree in the first place ?

as many as came here....

cannut · #**2405** 18.02.2014, 19:00

[QUOTE=marton;2092478]About "Most swiss people like to live in in a country style environment" - probably true but most Swiss actually live in a city style environment.[/QUOTE]

Ottawa or zuerich here

OSueco · #**2406** 18.02.2014, 19:01

	Quote:	ProsperityJoy
	I find this article about German Chancellor Merkel's response quite sensible: BERLIN (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Tuesday she regretted the results of a Swiss referendum in favor of immigration curbs and said the challenge now was for Switzerland to implement the results while maintaining close ties to the European Union. "I regret the decision of the vote in Switzerland but our talk was in the spirit that we respect it," Merkel said at a news conference with Swiss President Didier Burkhalter. "The challenge will now be that we deal with the results in a way that relations between the European Union and Switzerland remain as intense as possible with respect for the referendum," she added. On February 9 Swiss voters narrowly backed proposals to curtail immigration from the EU. The vote was initiated by the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP), which tapped into concerns that Swiss culture is being eroded by foreigners, who account for nearly a quarter of the country's population. (Reporting by Noah Barkin and Stephen Brown; writing by Erik Kirschbaum) The article is here. IMHO, the wording in bold means that the EU respects the Swiss vote and the idea now is to work "with" the Swiss, not against. Which is the most intelligent way to proceed. However, I expect some/many of you to disagree, but it is what it is.

They will probably come to an agreement, but there will be restrictions and penalties for Switzerland (well it already has), but this shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone...right?

http://www.euractiv.com/global-europ...ra-news-533548

cannut · #**2407** 18.02.2014, 19:03

	Quote:	OSueco
	as many as came here....

Now they desidet ,"ENOUGH"

nothing wrong with this ,right

cannut · #**2408** 18.02.2014, 19:05

	Quote:	OSueco
	They will probably come to an agreement, but there will be restrictions and penalties for Switzerland (well it already has), but this shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone...right? http://www.euractiv.com/global-europ...ra-news-533548

Right

omtatsat · #**2409** 18.02.2014, 19:13

Oh f**k its just a bungalow for 450000 bucks! Think I will stay here . At least the walls are made SOLID. " no sign on front lawn"? [QUOTE=cannut;2092492]

	Quote:	marton
	About "Most swiss people like to live in in a country style environment" - probably true but most Swiss actually live in a city style environment.[/QUOTE] Ottawa or zuerich here

Hoppy · #**2410** 18.02.2014, 19:20

Cannut, you know I think you are so cute,with your ' you-stupid , me not" arguement (and I kind of agree with you about the Swiss villager who just wants to be left in peace, in their Idyllic pastoral life), but the reality is that most Swiss don't want that anymore. Most Swiss want to live in cities and they want the modern urban lifestyle.

Now that the Swiss are done with excelling in cuckoo clocks, mercenaries, chocolate, Swiss knives, bankingindustries they must come up with some new area to sell to the world.

If the Swiss had to bring in foreigners, because the tagesarbeiter system was it was no longer feasible. Switzerland is not an island, its border will remain as a semipermeable membrane. Switzerland must have cheap immigrant labor in order to satisfy those who cannot like you and me live frugally in the mountains on cheese, milk and bread. Blocher is an advocate of that lifestyle but he would never actually live it- he is a big time industrialist who peddles romanticism. to con the patriotic Swiss.

I do find it a little hypocritical for you as a Canadian immigrant to be complaining about immigrants in Switzerland. What do you say when Canadians tell you to go back home?

cannut · #**2411** 18.02.2014, 19:23

[QUOTE=omtatsat;2092500]Oh f**k its just a bungalow for 450000 bucks! Think I will stay here . At least the walls are made SOLID. " no sign on front lawn"?

But Parking space right beside the bungalow, which is includet in Can450`000 bucks .Notice the tree`s . Elections are 1 1/2 years away

cannut · #**2412** 18.02.2014, 19:29

[QUOTE=Hoppy;2092503]Cannut, you know I think you are so cute,with your ' you-stupid , me not" arguement (and I kind of agree with you about the Swiss villager who just wants to be left in peace, in their Idyllic pastoral life), but the reality is that most Swiss don't want that anymore. Most Swiss want to live in cities and they want the modern urban lifestyle.

Now that the Swiss are done with excelling in cuckoo clocks, mercenaries, chocolate, Swiss knives, bankingindustries they must come up with some new area to sell to the world.

If the Swiss had to bring in foreigners, because the tagesarbeiter system was it was no longer feasible. Switzerland is not an island, its border will remain as a semipermeable membrane. Switzerland must have cheap immigrant labor in order to satisfy those who cannot like you and me live frugally in the mountains on cheese, milk and bread. Blocher is an advocate of that lifestyle but he would never actually live it- he is a big time industrialist who peddles romanticism. to con the patriotic Swiss.

I do find it a little hypocritical for you as a Canadian immigrant to be complaining about immigrants in Switzerland. What do you say when Canadians tell you to go back home?[/QUOTE]

This is the fun part answer "Why don`t you go Fu-k yourself "

been there done that

omtatsat · #**2413** 18.02.2014, 19:31

well if you can't beat em,join em!

	Quote:	cannut
	Right

st2lemans · #**2414** 18.02.2014, 19:37

	Quote:	Hoppy
	Most Swiss want to live in cities because they have to, not because they want to.

FTFY.

And most Swiss I know do NOT want to live in cites.

Tom

J2488 · #**2415** 18.02.2014, 19:38

	Quote:	Hoppy
	Cannut, you know I think you are so cute,with your ' you-stupid , me not" arguement (and I kind of agree with you about the Swiss villager who just wants to be left in peace, in their Idyllic pastoral life), but the reality is that most Swiss don't want that anymore. Most Swiss want to live in cities and they want the modern urban lifestyle. Now that the Swiss are done with excelling in cuckoo clocks, mercenaries, chocolate, Swiss knives, bankingindustries they must come up with some new area to sell to the world. If the Swiss had to bring in foreigners, because the tagesarbeiter system was it was no longer feasible. Switzerland is not an island, its border will remain as a semipermeable membrane. Switzerland must have cheap immigrant labor in order to satisfy those who cannot like you and me live frugally in the mountains on cheese, milk and bread. Blocher is an advocate of that lifestyle but he would never actually live it- he is a big time industrialist who peddles romanticism. to con the patriotic Swiss. I do find it a little hypocritical for you as a Canadian immigrant to be complaining about immigrants in Switzerland. What do you say when Canadians tell you to go back home?

Hypocricy is rife in this thread.

I cant agree with you enough, Hoppy.

Cannut, do you understand that the majority of modern generation, the ones that are the future of Switzerland, do not want the idyllic pasture life you mention? The vast majority want to live in the cities, have well paid city jobs, have city homes, and enjoy all the amenities the city brings.

They are the ones moving to the cities. The cities aren't swelling because of immigrants, they are swelling because they have more 'pull' factors than the countryside, which has more 'push' factors. Immigrants go where the jobs are, because they have to. If you place an office block on a mountain and offer people jobs there, they will move to the mountain.

This flow of people from the countryside to the cities is called Urbanisation. It is not a new thing, it has been happening for hundreds of years.

One side effect of urbanisation is a reduction in the birth rate. Now when you consider that Switzerland has a birth rate of 1.5 (the minimum required to maintain a population is around 2.1), as well as a ballooning economy with more jobs that need filling to support it, as well as an aging population (by 2050, they will account for a third of the population), you begin to see why foreigners are needed.

All those factors, combined with the fact that there are plenty of Swiss who refuse to do menial work (like you have already admitted) mean that there is a big problem.

J2488 · #**2416** 18.02.2014, 19:40

	Quote:	st2lemans
	FTFY. And most Swiss I know do NOT want to live in cites. Tom

On average, what is the age of all the swiss you know?

The average age of all the Swiss i know is 23. They can't wait to move to the cities because they find the small towns boring, and find there is little room to achieve what they want. Many have moved without a job being organised first.

Dave.

ProsperityJoy · #**2417** 18.02.2014, 19:41

	Quote:	OSueco
	They will probably come to an agreement, but there will be restrictions and penalties for Switzerland (well it already has), but this shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone...right? http://www.euractiv.com/global-europ...ra-news-533548

Nonetheless, it won't be the disaster many of you are hoping for!...If they want to get really nasty we will just cut off the Gotthard Tunnel for European trucks and trains and let them try and work around that...However, I 'm sure it won't come to that.

Hoppy · #**2418** 18.02.2014, 19:42

[QUOTE=cannut;2092508]

	Quote:	Hoppy
	Cannut, you know I think you are so cute,with your ' you-stupid , me not" arguement (and I kind of agree with you about the Swiss villager who just wants to be left in peace, in their Idyllic pastoral life), but the reality is that most Swiss don't want that anymore. Most Swiss want to live in cities and they want the modern urban lifestyle. Now that the Swiss are done with excelling in cuckoo clocks, mercenaries, chocolate, Swiss knives, bankingindustries they must come up with some new area to sell to the world. If the Swiss had to bring in foreigners, because the tagesarbeiter system was it was no longer feasible. Switzerland is not an island, its border will remain as a semipermeable membrane. Switzerland must have cheap immigrant labor in order to satisfy those who cannot like you and me live frugally in the mountains on cheese, milk and bread. Blocher is an advocate of that lifestyle but he would never actually live it- he is a big time industrialist who peddles romanticism. to con the patriotic Swiss. I do find it a little hypocritical for you as a Canadian immigrant to be complaining about immigrants in Switzerland. What do you say when Canadians tell you to go back home?[/QUOTE] This is the fun part answer "Why don`t you go Fu-k yourself " been there done that

So that's OK for a Swiss immigrant to say in Canada but not for an immigrant in Switzerland?

st2lemans · #**2419** 18.02.2014, 19:45

	Quote:	J2488
	On average, what is the age of all the swiss you know? The average age of all the Swiss i know is 23. They can't wait to move to the cities. Many move without a job being organised first.

My daughters are 21 and 23, as are most of their friends.

None of them are interested in city life other than going out for the evening and maybe for work.

But to live there? Forget it.

Tom

J2488 · #**2420** 18.02.2014, 19:47

	Quote:	ProsperityJoy
	Nonetheless, it won't be the disaster many of you are hoping for!...If they want to get really nasty we will just cut off the Gotthard Tunnel for European trucks and trains and let them try and work around that...However, I 'm sure it won't come to that.

And all the goods coming in to Switzerland will get here by Apparition, will they?