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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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I want to learn German just to understand this...

Though since there is laughing I think maybe they aren't actually speaking German. What language is that?
It's German ... vs German. Dialect, Hochdeutsch, it's all there.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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I want to learn German just to understand this...

Though since there is laughing I think maybe they aren't actually speaking German. What language is that?

Schweizerhochdeutsch
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the Zwergenparty.
I think you've just given me a reason to finally apply for citizenship.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Chez Blocher...

http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/574713...rculation.html

It is becoming a bit of a strange game... the very thing that I see happening if this guy is taken seriously, is that a lot of people, in particular Swiss people, will lose jobs.

The agenda here seems a very dark one.
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Old 04.04.2014, 11:37
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is that a lot of people, in particular Swiss people, will lose jobs.
I seriously doubt that.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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I seriously doubt that.

Sorry, it's math:

78% of the population is Swiss
22% is Foreigner

Companies find obstacles to come on the ground of Switzerland,
then the 78% of the lot, as a prior probability, defines who will lose more jobs.

Full stop.
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Old 04.04.2014, 12:26
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Sorry, it's math:

78% of the population is Swiss
22% is Foreigner

Companies find obstacles to come on the ground of Switzerland,
then the 78% of the lot, as a prior probability, defines who will lose more jobs.

Full stop.
good luck with that math - I'm not really worried.
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good luck with that math - I'm not really worried.
Don't worry, I am worrying for you too, no need for you to worry.
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Don't worry, I am worrying for you too, no need for you to worry.
thanks!
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Masseneinwanderung outcome legal challenge?

Just saw the below article in SRF. Can someone who can actually speak German clarify? It's looking like the vote can be invalidated which I am sure the Government will appreciate, let alone the EU amongst us...

http://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/beim-...ngs-initiative
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Re: Masseneinwanderung outcome legal challenge?

it says that in the run up to the election part of the communications done by SVP about Kosovaren were racist and therefore the whole process should be declared invalid.

interesting, would make a lot of people happy indeed. We need some of this good news for Switzerland
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Re: Masseneinwanderung outcome legal challenge?

So far the court only says that it accepts the case, i.e. the plaintiff may have a case. There's no verdict yet on this level, let alone one that hasn't been challenged. And it's only the "Strafgericht Bern-Mittelland" (one or two levels below the Bundesgericht).

A verdict by the Bundesgericht will come way too late for the 3-years deadline set by the referendum.

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Old 30.01.2015, 12:23
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Re: Masseneinwanderung outcome legal challenge?

Most of the people that wanted this referendum result live out in the sticks and never see a foreigner. Most of us live in cities and know that without foreigners there would be no functioning hospitals etc etc.

BUT, many people (49.7% ) disagreed with the result, and knowing that the EU will never agree to this restriction of the movement of labour, are desperately trying to find a way out of the impasse.

Luckily, we may now have a solution, by declaring the referendum void on grounds of racist behaviour.
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Old 30.01.2015, 18:58
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Re: Masseneinwanderung outcome legal challenge?

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So far the court only says that it accepts the case, i.e. the plaintiff may have a case. There's no verdict yet on this level, let alone one that hasn't been challenged. And it's only the "Strafgericht Bern-Mittelland" (one or two levels below the Bundesgericht).

A verdict by the Bundesgericht will come way too late for the 3-years deadline set by the referendum.
As the Ja margin was very small nationally would a decision in just one Kanton that the referendum was invalid be enough to block the whole thing?
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Just saw the below article in SRF. Can someone who can actually speak German clarify? It's looking like the vote can be invalidated which I am sure the Government will appreciate, let alone the EU amongst us...

http://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/beim-...ngs-initiative

According to this article in TA (sorry only in German) there is almost no chance that the vote will be invalidated...
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As the Ja margin was very small nationally would a decision in just one Kanton that the referendum was invalid be enough to block the whole thing?
If it is about 20K votes, democracy is democracy.
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If it is about 20K votes, democracy is democracy.
Indeed, Ticino decided.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Getting this vote overturned in the courts would be terrible, both for direct democracy and Swiss politics.

It would hand the SVP huge leverage just when its projected vote share in the next federal election is set to decline, and set up the conditions for a stronger yes vote in future for a similar initiative.

After the Ecopop vote, there is a chance that a counter initiative succeeds. This would snuff that out. Hope this goes nowhere fast in the courts.
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It's German ... vs German. Dialect, Hochdeutsch, it's all there.


I am a bit astonished to see a rather dated thread being revived. Whatever, in the Video, it is 99 percent Standard German / Standard-Deutsch / Hochdeutsch
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As the Ja margin was very small nationally would a decision in just one Kanton that the referendum was invalid be enough to block the whole thing?
From what I understand:
No. The vote itself, and thus the result, has been accepted as being legal and thus is binding. There's no way any Kanton or its population can "change their minds", so to say.

What's more, CH has no Verfassungsgericht, no court that is authorized to rule on and revoke any given part of the Bundesverfassung, and/or order the parliament to correct the situation. The most that can happen is for the Bundesgericht to decide that some part has lesser importance than another part, and thus the lesser part has no/limited consequence.

For instance, the Bundesgericht has decided that the Ausschaffungsinitiative has lower priority than human rights, and ruled accordingly, but it can't make adjustments to the Bundesverfassung or order the federal parliament to do so.
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