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Old 13.02.2015, 23:54
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Same ol', same ol'. Anti-migration initiatives have long tradition (see timeline)
yes, and nothing changed, the MEI initiative was amazingly misinformed propaganda which people "bought" and which also the fiasco ECOPOOP confirmed...
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Old 14.02.2015, 20:33
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Not sure why they are floating the idea of a second vote on Europe. It seems to me that the original referendum was quite clear that limits would be put in place, and damn the bilaterals if necessary?
No. People believed in Blocher's lie according to which the MEI was compatible with the Bilaterals.
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Old 15.02.2015, 17:01
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From the above:

"Cross-border commuters, family members, persons who are not working, refugees and temporarily admitted persons are also subject to the quantitative limits."

So - 1 skilled employee, trailing spouse and 2 children = 4 against the quota?
Hire single people. They work longer hours and don't have this family baggage and why hire a family guy when you can hire 4 single guys?
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Old 15.02.2015, 17:16
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why hire a family guy when you can hire 4 single guys?
Because you don't want to be an unsocial a-hole?
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Old 15.02.2015, 17:17
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yes, and nothing changed, the MEI initiative was amazingly misinformed propaganda
Except that this is not the case - the people are truly fed up:

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...pfern-13581170
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Old 15.02.2015, 17:29
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Hire single people. They work longer hours and don't have this family baggage and why hire a family guy when you can hire 4 single guys?
because then the swiss will start complaining about foreigners stealing their women
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Old 15.02.2015, 17:35
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because then the swiss will start complaining about foreigners stealing their women
True, I hadn't considered that one :-)
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Old 15.02.2015, 18:13
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Because you don't want to be an unsocial a-hole?
If you don't want to be an unsocial a-hole, why go into HR in the first place?
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Old 15.02.2015, 18:23
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If you don't want to be an unsocial a-hole, why go into HR in the first place?
another good point, I guess, albeit a bit cynical :-)
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Old 15.02.2015, 18:36
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I think so, too - but not because of the new immigration policy, but because of strong CHF. And apparently you don't live here? Or why are you talking about "you" instead of "we"?
Dude, the last time I got a guy offended because I used a "we" instead of a "you". I suppose there must be a serious problem with pronouns in here. Whatever the reason, there exist a cure, it is called GRAMMAR.
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Old 15.02.2015, 20:50
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Sometimes the expert cannot be found in CH or in a single state, so is worth the 'baggage'.
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Old 15.02.2015, 21:37
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Except that this is not the case - the people are truly fed up:

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...pfern-13581170
if the swiss wanted quotas then they would have voted pro ECOPOOP (you DO know what it was about (?) and that 75% which voted turned it down)...also your comment is quite exaggerated, "people are truly fed up"? not really
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Old 15.02.2015, 21:51
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Sometimes the expert cannot be found in CH or in a single state, so is worth the 'baggage'.
Yea it's time they restrict hiring French-German snobs like me. In other words: it's time for at least one Swiss teacher to take bilingualism seriously to get my job. Imagine, they couldn't find a real bilingual French-German teacher in the country, they had to get me over from Amsterdam. This is one of the plagues announcing the end of times.
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Old 15.02.2015, 21:59
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if the swiss wanted quotas then they would have voted pro ECOPOOP...:
ECOPOP was about more than just quotas, which is why it didn't pass. (Did YOU know that??)

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...your comment is quite exaggerated, "people are truly fed up"?...
It appears you didn't even bother reading the linked article. When 'a relative majority would opt for the quotas' it's no exaggeration to say the people are fed up.
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Old 15.02.2015, 23:29
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Old 15.02.2015, 23:32
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because then the swiss will start complaining about foreigners stealing their women
Somehow this is not compatible with the multiple whining posts here about failures to "meet" Swiss ladies.

edit; Sorry, I meant not only your posts Phil
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Old 15.02.2015, 23:36
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If you don't want to be an unsocial a-hole, why go into HR in the first place?
Ideal HR person; warm voice, cold heart
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Old 16.02.2015, 14:20
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It appears you didn't even bother reading the linked article. When 'a relative majority would opt for the quotas' it's no exaggeration to say the people are fed up.
It's an online poll, no way to be sure respondents are honest about their own demographic info. Heck, it could even be somebody wrote a short algorithm and had it auto-click for half the responses, with random options for the demographic info.

So yes it is an exaggeration, the only thing you know with certainty is the number of responses.
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Old 16.02.2015, 15:06
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It's an online poll, no way to be sure respondents are honest about their own demographic info. Heck, it could even be somebody wrote a short algorithm and had it auto-click for half the responses, with random options for the demographic info.

So yes it is an exaggeration, the only thing you know with certainty is the number of responses.
Exactly, the same point is discussed in Tagesanzeiger today, look here (in German language).
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Old 26.02.2015, 23:53
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I think that there is some truth in the above. However, in the US or UK many foreigners undermine the hard fought safeguards to workers and unions, as they will work without a license, insurance or bonding. Of course there is also always the problem of companies using foreign sweatshops, but do we really want to reintroduce European sweatshops or sweat labour?
I am not disputing the fact that many foreigners work according to the law and unions, however I find that foreigners even when on par or better than Swiss workers, are paid less, which is why we left. Even when foreign workers provide superior expertise and follow societal rules, they still get shafted and taken advantage of by the most reputable firms. The Swiss have an inherent sense of entitlement, deep in the psyche of each Swiss person is an indefatigable, nagging voice which tells them that they are naturally superior to non-Swiss. It is a bit like the British colonialist mentality. Some will choose to make a determined effort, especially when faced with the evidence, to override it, but it is always there.
So when a Swiss person is truly, open to considering that other non-Swiss may be at the same level as Swiss, then one must appreciate how much effort it has taken for a Swiss individual to do this.
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