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I am ,any objection ?
Actually I'm glad.

I was looking to establish an old fools Aryan party and I didn't know whom I could brainwash, indoctrinate and ultimately manipulate.

I'm deliriously happy I have found the right Material.




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Actually I'm glad.

I was looking to establish an old fools Aryan party and I didn't know whom I could brainwash, indoctrinate and ultimately manipulate.

I'm deliriously happy I have found the right Material.



Where do I apply? I qualify in all areas
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Where do I apply? I qualify in all areas


You know you don't.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Are you nuts? Sorry for asking so openly, but I can't explain your comments in any other way.
He is just making fun of your reaction about being classified of German culture, and then your even more ludicrous answer about the drops of blood, as if the simple fact that you speak German every day would not be enough to state that you are of German culture/background.
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He is just making fun of your reaction about being classified of German culture, and then your even more ludicrous answer about the drops of blood, as if the simple fact that you speak German every day would not be enough to state that you are of German culture/background.

Drops of blood? German? I didn't make any of these statements - he started the whole thing. I simply replied when he alleged that I was German, which I'm not. I don't care where the people currently living in Switzerland are from, I'm just not in favor of more immigration as it's getting too crowded here for my taste. That Germans are the main reason for the discussion is a fact, however, as they were, until recently, the largest group of immigrants. That has changed now - it's the Portuguese now according to recently reported numbers by the government.
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Drops of blood? German? I didn't make any of these statements - he started the whole thing. I simply replied when he alleged that I was German, which I'm not. I don't care where the people currently living in Switzerland are from, I'm just not in favor of more immigration as it's getting too crowded here for my taste. That Germans are the main reason for the discussion is a fact, however, as they were, until recently, the largest group of immigrants. That has changed now - it's the Portuguese now according to recently reported numbers by the government.
It would not be that big of a problem to say such things if it was not that then you complain if you get bullied by the other countries around.
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Old 11.04.2015, 16:10
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

This German newspaper here (in German language) is claiming that the EU are demanding that Switzerland hold a new Referendum on this topic.

Although the quote by senior EU diplomat Maciej Popowski in the article does not look to me to be so strong as "demanding"? Maybe my language translation was not good enough?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

verlangen does mean something like "to demand". It is a strong verb. They are not suggesting, they are being straight forward. But in the context of a negotiation, it is just their position facing their opponent. It is a strong verb but it is the normal one in a negotiation to say who wants what. It doesn't mean that they are not ready to compromise, but it is definitely their position. How flexible they wish to be is open, maybe they truly will accept nothing else than a referendum but it is not in the verb itself. It would be the same verb if they were willing to set for a less demanding action.
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This German newspaper here (in German language) is claiming that the EU are demanding that Switzerland hold a new Referendum on this topic.

Although the quote by senior EU diplomat Maciej Popowski in the article does not look to me to be so strong as "demanding"? Maybe my language translation was not good enough?
"Inevitable" according to Swss Info:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerl...ys-eu/41372932

Don't think he really understands the Swiss mentality.
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Don't think he really understands the Swiss mentality.
Either that or it's a way of playing with the Swiss' own tools. Who better than the people in person can best sort that mess out?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

It's the EU approach to "democracy" - as many referendums and intervening propaganda as needed to get a desired outcome.
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It's the EU approach to "democracy" - as many referendums and intervening propaganda as needed to get a desired outcome.
It's what SVP/UDC does too. They were not happy with the yes to Schengen, they launched other referenda until they got the answer they wanted. And there are planning the next one.
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Old 11.04.2015, 23:22
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Just to throw some oil on the flames
Is there a similar Swiss group?

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Looks like there'll be a new vote on the issue.

"The Swiss can vote on 9 February. Initiative "Let's get out of the impasse" has collected 110,000 signatures. The text aims to remove the restoration of the constitution of immigration quotas.

The initiative RASA (Raus aus der Sackgasse) was filed Monday with the Federal Chancellery in Bern. According to the initiators, the "yes" narrowly February 9 at the initiative of the UDC on mass immigration and its implementation threaten the maintenance of bilateral agreements.

The goal is to repeal the constitutional articles introduced February 9, 2014 if their application threatens the continuation of bilateral agreements. Otherwise, the committee will withdraw the initiative RASA (Raus aus der Sackgasse).

The text has been remarkably successful. The initiators had a tight agenda since they had to collect 100,000 signatures within 12 months to the Swiss hope to vote again before February 2017 deadline imposed for the application of the initiative of the UDC.

The initiative committee is composed of 300 people from the artistic, academic, sporting or economic."

http://www.bluewin.ch/fr/infos/suiss...110-000-s.html
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Looks like there'll be a new vote on the issue.
It won't pass, as they will need a double majority.

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Just to throw some oil on the flames
Is there a similar Swiss group?
There was stuff like this plastered all over Zürich HB some weeks back. I don't think it had any direct connection to the bilaterals though.
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Looks like there'll be a new vote on the issue.

"The Swiss can vote on 9 February. Initiative "Let's get out of the impasse" has collected 110,000 signatures. The text aims to remove the restoration of the constitution of immigration quotas.

The initiative RASA (Raus aus der Sackgasse) was filed Monday with the Federal Chancellery in Bern. According to the initiators, the "yes" narrowly February 9 at the initiative of the UDC on mass immigration and its implementation threaten the maintenance of bilateral agreements.

The goal is to repeal the constitutional articles introduced February 9, 2014 if their application threatens the continuation of bilateral agreements. Otherwise, the committee will withdraw the initiative RASA (Raus aus der Sackgasse).

The text has been remarkably successful. The initiators had a tight agenda since they had to collect 100,000 signatures within 12 months to the Swiss hope to vote again before February 2017 deadline imposed for the application of the initiative of the UDC.

The initiative committee is composed of 300 people from the artistic, academic, sporting or economic."

http://www.bluewin.ch/fr/infos/suiss...110-000-s.html
Pretty crazy to vote on this again after the outcome of the elections. There's absolutely zero chance of success.
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It won't pass, as they will need a double majority.

Tom
Tom's right. With the ongoing refugee issue and now company layoffs at hand, compounded by the pendulum already swinging to the right, this referendum will not pass. It's unfortunate because its a waste of the government's time and energy to enforce such a disadvantageous policy.
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Old 27.10.2015, 10:58
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Tom's right. With the ongoing refugee issue and now company layoffs at hand, compounded by the pendulum already swinging to the right, this referendum will not pass. It's unfortunate because its a waste of the government's time and energy to enforce such a disadvantageous policy.
And worse still, it will probably put all diplomatic measures on ice for the duration as what's the point of doing your best to renogiate from a tight corner if you think your mandate is about to change. This is a rotten tomato situation unrolling over Bundesbern in slow motion and it will strengthen the SVP position. They couldn't have done better if they had initiated it themselves.

In another context, this would have been they type of vote the SVP would have played to lose. They would have given the other parties a run for their money but aimed to lose by a narrow margin and so saved face and saved the bilaterals at the same time, while having gathered sufficient amunition to lay the foundation for a new anti EU topic.

But right now they're too bullish to take that path.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

I hate SVP, pure garbage. Switzerland is rich because of Auslenders money. They took all.money from Hitler, Tito, Gadafi. Everyone who puts money in their bank and ends up in jail or dead, that money is now in Swiss hands.
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