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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Surely they have suspended Schengen not FMOP?
Which is allowed for short periods.

EU citizens can still move to work in these countries? So FMOP is not suspended?
Schengen is a component and lynchpin of FMOP. Its suppose to be the transitory state to full eradication of borders. As you can see, the concept is in question.
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Schengen is a component and lynchpin of FMOP. Its suppose to be the transitory state to full eradication of borders.
Ergo FMOP has effectively been suspended?

Oh wait, it hasn't...
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And there's the backtrack...
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Are any of you expecting to be sent home, should MEI be implemented in full? Perhaps that would explain the emotional shrillness of your responses.
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Shrillness? Oh dear.

No, I am Swiss and so is my OH- and it will make absolutely no difference to us (on UK pensions- if the Swiss Franc tumbles, we would seriously benefit).
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Schengen is a component and lynchpin of FMOP. Its suppose to be the transitory state to full eradication of borders. As you can see, the concept is in question.
First time I heard this? Do you have a source?

You do know there are EU countries with FMOP but no Schengen?

Where is FMOP in question outside of Switzerland?

Edit; looking forward to the next "last post"
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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No, I am Swiss and so is my OH- and it will make absolutely no difference to us (on UK pensions- if the Swiss Franc tumbles, we would seriously benefit).
Us too! Is shrillness now defined as correcting factual errors?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Try the EU factsheet on FMOP, and the role of Schengen in it:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_2.1.3.html

Schengen was premised on police and judicial cooperation among other things. Events in Paris and Germany demonstrated how that did not happen, and how it is enforced without full implementation. This kind of shoddy implementations and concepts that are typical of what comes out of the EU, though of course they are not accountable for it.

I believe it is also a key argument for Brexit, as well as the Eastern European states these days. I'm sure they will try to rehabilitate it.

The free movement of goods, services and capital is really where the value of the EU lies. Why couldn't that be had without FMOP?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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First time I heard this? Do you have a source?

You do know there are EU countries with FMOP but no Schengen?

Where is FMOP in question outside of Switzerland?

Edit; looking forward to the next "last post"
"You do know there are EU countries with FMOP but no Schengen?"

The UK?
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Us too! Is shrillness now defined as correcting factual errors?
I was referring to the one screeching personal insults. That's my cue of a lack of any substantial response.
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Old 13.01.2016, 18:39
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"You do know there are EU countries with FMOP but no Schengen?"

The UK?
Yes and Ireland
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Us too! Is shrillness now defined as correcting factual errors?
In fairness it wasn't a factual error, per say - Schengen is indeed part of the greater idea of freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and labour (the one Phos doesn't like). However, what Phos did was originally claim that "Sweden and Denmark has effectively suspended FMOP" then downgraded that daft, sweeping statement to a far less apocalyptic suggestion that the FMOP "concept is in question". That's the factual error he made and then tried to cover up by changing the discussion.
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I was referring to the one screeching personal insults. That's my cue of a lack of any substantial response.
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It certainly in the process of a slow collapse, and it IS an EU failure.

I don't think it is wise to vest so much decision making power to such an incompetent entity. It resembles a ship of fools.
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Are any of you expecting to be sent home, should MEI be implemented in full? Perhaps that would explain the emotional shrillness of your responses.
You seem to be confusing this initiative with the one about deporting criminals?
There is nothing in the MEI about sending people home.
Do please stick to the facts and stop trying to frighten people with threats of being sent home.
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You seem to be confusing this initiative with the one about deporting criminals?
There is nothing in the MEI about sending people home.
Do please stick to the facts and stop trying to frighten people with threats of being sent home.
It was a question, not a fact stated, as the rabid passion for the EU is curious to me.
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Sweden and Denmark has effectively suspended FMOP, thanks to Merkel.

Now everyone can still benefit from Free Movement Of Goods without FMOP. That is really where the money is anyway. That mindless FMOP stuff will just destroy nations anyway.

FMOP is definitely under question nowadays by ALL.
Thanks for the EU link which clearly states Sweden and Denmark have Schengen issues.
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Try the EU factsheet on FMOP, and the role of Schengen in it:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_2.1.3.html

Schengen was premised on police and judicial cooperation among other things. Events in Paris and Germany demonstrated how that did not happen, and how it is enforced without full implementation. This kind of shoddy implementations and concepts that are typical of what comes out of the EU, though of course they are not accountable for it.

I believe it is also a key argument for Brexit, as well as the Eastern European states these days. I'm sure they will try to rehabilitate it.

The free movement of goods, services and capital is really where the value of the EU lies. Why couldn't that be had without FMOP?
About "The free movement of goods, services and capital" please do explain how to implement free movement of services without free movement of the people providing such services?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Were you needing something like this?

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About "The free movement of goods, services and capital" please do explain how to implement free movement of services without free movement of the people providing such services?
Try calling your favorite tech support and ask the person who picks up where they are located.
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It certainly in the process of a slow collapse, and it IS an EU failure.

I don't think it is wise to vest so much decision making power to such an incompetent entity. It resembles a ship of fools.
EU does not have decision making powers; decisions are made by the Council of Ministers who are the elected representatives of the EU countries?
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It was a question, not a fact stated, as the rabid passion for the EU is curious to me.
Where have I stated a rabid passion for the EU? I assume such statements are to divert us from your failure to support your arguments.
Rabid is hardly a polite description and not necessary.

I do have a passion to see facts correctly stated.

You wrote "should MEI be implemented in full" which is not a question but a false interpretation of the initiative which does not require people to be sent home but instead to place a cap on the numbers of new people.
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