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cannut 03.09.2011 15:05

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Originally Posted by yjt (Post 1325816)
Apparently not. At the start of the year the said they were having a think about launching an initiative which would mean naturalised Swiss would lose the Swiss pass if they mess up within a certain amount of time http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/30302904

Why in all the word do you whant e swiss pass port :o?I have one for sale ;)

OSueco 03.09.2011 15:10

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Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1325811)
Good Thinking ,problem solved :msnnerd:>>>>>>>>> some one please give me some idea how much the population in Switzerland should be? 80 million and up ? in my opinion there are already to many people in Switzerland

So you want to tell the companies not to grow? That's your solution? :rolleyes:
good luck there...

The whole thing is regulated by the market and the bilateral AGREEMENT with EU...

How much population?
Switzerland is 67th most crowded country in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density

Even germany is more crowded, yes I know there are a lot of alps here..

I'd say maybe 1-2 million wouldn't be a problem...:D

yjt 03.09.2011 15:22

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Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1325820)
Why in all the word do you whant e swiss pass port :o?I have one for sale ;)

From when I decide not to live in Switzerland anymore;) I actually agree with you I find Switzerland overcrowded. I really don't like living 2m away from some ones balcony with a good view in to their living room so I could follow what they're watching on TV.

I'm definitely having a serious think about moving across the border where there's more space. If I do that without having the Swiss pass I'll be heavily discriminated against if the SVP continues with these policies so getting the pass would be more a preventative measure :)

cannut 03.09.2011 15:31

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1325822)
So you want to tell the companies not to grow? That's your solution? :rolleyes:
good luck there...

The whole thing is regulated by the market and the bilateral AGREEMENT with EU...

How much population?
Switzerland is 67th most crowded country in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density

Even germany is more crowded, yes I know there are a lot of alps here..

I'd say maybe 1-2 million wouldn't be a problem...:D

As far as I know Switzerland is hitting 8 million .So 4 times as much as you suggesting :eek: Your company can Grow in India Food is better there;)

OSueco 04.09.2011 16:04

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Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1325835)
As far as I know Switzerland is hitting 8 million .So 4 times as much as you suggesting :eek: Your company can Grow in India Food is better there;)

I meant 1-2 million more...sorry about that :o

04.09.2011 16:14

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Originally Posted by yjt (Post 1325830)
I really don't like living 2m away from some ones balcony with a good view in to their living room so I could follow what they're watching on TV.

Nor did I - so I moved ;). Now the nearest balcony is 2 miles away.

Guest 04.09.2011 17:37

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Not a single balcony in sight here either - location, location. location.

meloncollie 04.09.2011 19:19

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The balconies here are a reasonable distance away...


... but many have mounted telescopes. :eek:

Guest 04.09.2011 19:54

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We are the only ones with a telescope here, lol, to look at the BIRDS!

Phil_MCR 04.09.2011 20:32

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We are the only ones with a telescope here, lol, to look at the BIRDS!
yeah. that's what they all say... ;)

mojado 04.09.2011 21:24

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Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1325457)
Not you !You are OK, but all the other American / Canadian / Mexican/Portuguese/Spaniards--one sec I have to go to the bath room;):D

I don't think there are loads of American / Canadian / Mexican moving here.

cannut 04.09.2011 21:30

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Originally Posted by mojado (Post 1326865)
I don't think there are loads of American / Canadian / Mexican moving here.

All Canadians please stand up :D

Mark75 04.09.2011 21:33

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1325822)
How much population?
Switzerland is 67th most crowded country in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density

Even germany is more crowded, yes I know there are a lot of alps here..

Looking at the population density of the whole country tells only half the story. Population density of the Mittelland region is at 380 per square km which would make it the 31st most crowded country. The only "real" countries (i.e. not counting micro nations and islands) with higher density are South Korea, Lebanon and the Netherlands.

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1325822)
I'd say maybe 1-2 million wouldn't be a problem...:D

It wouldn't be that much of a problem if Swiss politicians and people were willing to make the necessary legal adjustments (e.g. it's a major joke that most residential buildings in a city with the real estate price level of Zurich are not allowed to have more than five or six stories :rolleyes:) and to expand the much needed (traffic) infrastructure. But it doesn't look that way and if anything changes it's way too slow to keep up with the rampant population growth of recent years.

yjt 04.09.2011 22:33

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Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 1326730)
The balconies here are a reasonable distance away...


... but many have mounted telescopes. :eek:

I actually have a telescope but the other flats are so close that it's not much use now:P

Anyway regarding decent sized flats with decent sized balcony and private sphere location, location, location usually means $, $, $, especially here in Mittelland but this is a matter for another thread.

jerallie 04.09.2011 22:34

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There are plenty of places here that have space. The beginning of the Berner Oberland has lots of space in the hills above lake Thun and Interlaken. Not a bad commute into Bern either. Many people choose to live in densely populated areas for connivence and work. My father lives in rural New Hampshire in the states and commutes a hour to his office outside of Boston because he loves his house/farm in the country. He makes that sacrifice and has since before I was born. He could live in the densely populated suburbs, but it's worth it to him. I guess it's about what you are willing to trade off.

Guest 04.09.2011 22:39

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Spot on - loads of space, wonderful old houses with land up here in the Jura- and still very cheap.

The Berber oberland, lol- never seen any Berbers near Thun:)

cannut 04.09.2011 22:42

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Spot on - loads of space, wonderful old houses with land up here in the Jura- and still very cheap.

The Berber oberland, lol- never seen any Berbers near Thun:)
No barbers in the Berner Oberland :eek::p

jerallie 04.09.2011 22:48

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There are plenty of Barbers and they all charge at least 45chf to cut your damn hair :D

22 yards 05.09.2011 01:19

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Originally Posted by Mark75 (Post 1326875)
Looking at the population density of the whole country tells only half the story. Population density of the Mittelland region is at 380 per square km which would make it the 31st most crowded country. The only "real" countries (i.e. not counting micro nations and islands) with higher density are South Korea, Lebanon and the Netherlands.

I'm not sure I get your point. The population density of Manhattan is 27,394/square km, which would place it first (by a country mile) in the list of most densely populated countries in the world ... if it were a country. But it's not, it's a densely-populated area within the world's 179th most densely populated nation.

There's plenty of space in Switzerland. Commuting times to work here are extraordinarily low, by some standards -- when I lived in London, or Sydney, commutes of an hour or more each way were commonplace.

Laertes 05.09.2011 02:30

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Originally Posted by 22 yards (Post 1327076)
I'm not sure I get your point. The population density of Manhattan is 27,394/square km, which would place it first (by a country mile) in the list of most densely populated countries in the world ... if it were a country. But it's not, it's a densely-populated area within the world's 179th most densely populated nation.

There's plenty of space in Switzerland. Commuting times to work here are extraordinarily low, by some standards -- when I lived in London, or Sydney, commutes of an hour or more each way were commonplace.

The difference is that in Switzerland unlike in the US a big part of the country is unsuitable for dense residential areas by topographical reasons. In the US you could build dense residential areas, where today is not much. In Switzerland on the other hand there are already quite dense residential areas at most places suitable.

To say that Switzerland has lots of spare space because of the mountains is actually like saying that the Netherlands are actually not that densely populated as there are not many people living on the ocean. Of course this is exaggerated, but there is some truth in this comparison, because both mountains and the ocean are areas that are not suitable for a dense population (mountain villages in one, oil drilling platforms in the other)


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