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You mean like this: White town

or closer to home: Emmen

And how about trade and business, shall we start with local trade sanctions etc as well?
People already have the power to decide where they buy from and where they sell to.
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Old 03.02.2014, 21:07
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Then it would be prudent to have a back-up plan when living in a country where your long-term rights to reside are uncertain.
Yes, but your back up plan would not be as good an option as continuing to reside in CH, otherwise it would not be a backup plan!

What if one day there is a referendum to limit pension entitlements of foreigners when you are 60? What will you do then?

I'm already thinking of getting out of here before it is too late, especially now that my mortgage is almost paid.
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Old 03.02.2014, 21:11
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You mean like this: White town

or closer to home: Emmen

And how about trade and business, shall we start with local trade sanctions etc as well?
After reading the story about Emmen, I think it would be a good idea to have a ranking of towns / kantons where it is easier and where it is more difficult to get citizenship.
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Old 03.02.2014, 21:47
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Because, while I do not have answers to everything regarding this topic (and I don't think I am alone in this), much of what he has to say, IMO, draws on assumptions of what I meant with what I said here and there etc ... I don't think there is any point to continue answering him when he obviously finds it too easy to read more into what I say then what I said - and with some of it I really think he just flat out misunderstands me. Nothing for me or him to "admit" to - we both obviously have completely opposing views and that is fine for me. I have to respect it even though I may not agree with it. Savvy?

(P.S. I think he is well able to fight his own battles too )
Not specifically about Wolly - when anybody questions something you propose or write as fact then your usual answer is something like "we both obviously have completely opposing views". Views and facts are different things; it is a disappointing response to a question of fact to write "different views".
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Old 03.02.2014, 21:55
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After reading the story about Emmen, I think it would be a good idea to have a ranking of towns / kantons where it is easier and where it is more difficult to get citizenship.
There are a number of Gemeinden where the Gemeinderat (town council) has taken over the final decision on citizenship; of course this change had to be approved by the local citizens - generally people agree this gives a fairer result and better opportunities for those whose names, for example, ends in -vic.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen

I'm pretty good at predicting the winner of these referendums but this one is tough. There's a good chance Kt. Schwyz will vote yes on it.
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Yes, but your back up plan would not be as good an option as continuing to reside in CH, otherwise it would not be a backup plan!
Life is full of ups and downs. You just have to make the best out of any given situation.

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What if one day there is a referendum to limit pension entitlements of foreigners when you are 60? What will you do then?

I'm already thinking of getting out of here before it is too late, especially now that my mortgage is almost paid.
As for pension, I don't believe that there will be any pension for me to draw down on and so if I get a limited pension from Switzerland it will be upside to my baseline scenario of having no pension income.
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Old 03.02.2014, 22:17
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I'm pretty good at predicting the winner of these referendums but this one is tough. There's a good chance Kt. Schwyz will vote yes on it.
I am beginning to think it could be passed.

I have met a lot of people who will vote JA; many of them, like some posters here have either not read the detailed proposal or not understood it, so are voting for what they think it is about.

Had a big discussion last week with someone who firmly believed it would mean a complete stop to new immigrants.

I also have the feeling that many in the SVP want a good JA vote but not an actual win; I suppose because in the end it will not deliver exactly what many people have in their heads as the objectives plus the SVP will get the blame should the EU over react.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen

I also believe it will be a YES, but more about people are not satisfied with the Bundesrat to totally avoid the "issues" than agreeing with SVP...

but I hope it will lead to some creative discussions and not just some childish tantrum from the SVP...and also that SVP will deal with the consequences when EU cancel the Bilaterals
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You mean like this: White town

or closer to home: Emmen

And how about trade and business, shall we start with local trade sanctions etc as well?
I red the "Emmen" story, most bizarre thing I red about this topic...
especially the question: "What language do you dream in?"...really?
If I was her I would leave that miserable place...

this is why I will not get a Swiss passport...
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I'm pretty good at predicting the winner of these referendums but this one is tough. There's a good chance Kt. Schwyz will vote yes on it.
It will be a matter of a few percents, and so, predictions are almost impossible. My guess would be Zürich NO, Schwyz YES, but it might be just the other way round. Also the Federal Total may be a matter of one or two percents either way.
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Old 04.02.2014, 08:41
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Yes, but your back up plan would not be as good an option as continuing to reside in CH, otherwise it would not be a backup plan!

What if one day there is a referendum to limit pension entitlements of foreigners when you are 60? What will you do then?

I'm already thinking of getting out of here before it is too late, especially now that my mortgage is almost paid.
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I red the "Emmen" story, most bizarre thing I red about this topic...
especially the question: "What language do you dream in?"...really?
If I was her I would leave that miserable place...

this is why I will not get a Swiss passport...
- 1st june 2008 an initiative banning naturalisation by ballot like in emmen was accepted by 63% of the swiss population. Communes have to select a commission for this naturalisation process: no mob voting anymore.

- in july 2003, the Federal Court rejected the decisions of Emmen because considered as discriminatory

- in the Emmen case, canton Geneva offered swiss citizenship to those established foreigners of Emmen who were refused because of the -ic
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I'm pretty good at predicting the winner of these referendums but this one is tough. There's a good chance Kt. Schwyz will vote yes on it.
I expect TI to vote yes as well.

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Old 04.02.2014, 10:05
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I expect TI to vote yes as well.

Tom

Imposing a cross border commuting tax would be a better idea than what the SVP propose.
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People already have the power to decide where they buy from and where they sell to.
Is not about where you buy from - it is where you are allowed to sell to, if your trade is restricted then you will not flourish and your standard of living will decline.
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Old 05.02.2014, 09:03
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Is not about where you buy from - it is where you are allowed to sell to, if your trade is restricted then you will not flourish and your standard of living will decline.
I already mentioned where you can sell to in the sentence you quoted.
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I already mentioned where you can sell to in the sentence you quoted.

You did, but I think Jim is making a distinction between where you would like to sell to and where you are allowed to sell to.
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After reading the story about Emmen, I think it would be a good idea to have a ranking of towns / kantons where it is easier and where it is more difficult to get citizenship.
This story about Emmen was from 2001. I wonder what changes have taken place since then. I've heard from a number of friends who've taken Swiss citizenship recently and it was nothing like the ordeal described in the BBC story. I can imagine it is more difficult in small country towns but within the larger cities I think it's probably much more straightforward.
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Edited to add: Besides, the SVP has nothing to lose. As your wrote above, they're already talking about a new iniative. The SVP is not so much about solving problems but about cultivating problems in order to enable perpetual campaigning.
It sounds similar to Klumpfuß or 1984.

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If Switzerland is to remain Swiss, and not become some kind of generic, multi-cultural state (like France, Germany and the UK are becoming - And their economies are so rock-solid - right!?) then we, the Swiss people, will have to pull the brakes at some point.
Some call this nationalism as if being nationalistic is a bad thing - some call it "conservative" and "right-wing" - some call it "Cold-War" mentality - while others just say it's from "the past".
I call it sovereignty and the protection of a people and a nation's identity and prosperity!
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But nevermind - the majority of you lot are EU citizens and/or Brits ... aka - not Swiss ... and some of you might have obtained your Schweizerpass by being married to a Swiss - so why the heck to I care what you think!?

You have all been such a sport and since I don't think I saw a single foreigner on this thread show hardly an ounce of respect for Swiss nationalism I would have to say that I walk away from this thread with more repulsion against foreigners than I entered the thread with in the first place. Because, as it turns out, some of the anti-immigrant talk that I have heard from some Swiss seems actually to be true - namely that immigrants care little to nothing for Swiss nationalism, heritage or culture, instead all they care for is that they can work here and leech off of the Swiss economy and infrastructure.
You just nailed many cliches at once…need Kultur? Head N or NW. C'mon, don't have a cow man…well at least not a non-Swiss one.

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They want foreign talent which will not compete against them. Highly qualified and low skill immigrants are ok to SVP voters because they either cannot or don't want to compete against them in the labour market. It's the middle level skill people who compete directly against them for jobs that they want to block from coming here.
Skillful workforce for a couple of years only, then they should go back home. And cheap scrubbers who along their children should perpetuate with such occupations, only for patriotism's sake.

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I have met a lot of people who will vote JA; many of them, like some posters here have either not read the detailed proposal or not understood it, so are voting for what they think it is about.
Had a big discussion last week with someone who firmly believed it would mean a complete stop to new immigrants.
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I also believe it will be a YES, but more about people are not satisfied with the Bundesrat to totally avoid the "issues" than agreeing with SVP...
Not a rational but a childish decision I expect, to heighten Switzerland's international image of a cultured nation
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Immigration cap

I just saw on CNBC this morning that the Swiss are due to vote on an immigration cap. Does anybody have more details on this?
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