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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Hardly.

Even my daughter who just moved to the US wanted to vote yes.

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I'm not expecting them to react positively, but they can now show whether they're about democracy or bullying
No, this was not a democratic vote in the EU, it was in Switzerland. If any renegotiation of agreements with the EU is attempted it's Brussels' duty to act in the best interests of EU members and that does not include Switzerland.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Toni Brunner on SRF, please watch…that guy has absolutely nothing concrete to say, he doesn't even have a clue what would be the optimal immigration numbers, just that it is too much :roll eyes:…

it is really clear, SVP has no interest at all for any solution, it is just to get cheap political points…

It will be as for the "Abschaffunginitiative" - SVP will not accept any proposals, and this theatre will go on for ages...
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I'm shocked to see a lot of naturalized Swiss active here seem to be in favor of the initiative... :x
this is my latest fb status:

some expats support the svp initiative more than the average hans-ueli stuck in the end of a valley in berner oberland. the mind boggles.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

But hey if this thing does pass..does it mean they will limit also the c permits to the ones that are already holding a b permit?
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Hardly.

Even my daughter who just moved to the US wanted to vote yes.

Tom
Should have chosen my words better 'shameful' is more apt.

Care to enlight us with your logic for the yes vote?

Seems like some 'hillbillies' are in fact 'rednecks' (:

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Umm... Hallo. We are taking about the same thing and thank you for taking the time to translate the above text.
You're taking reinstalling quotas. I'm talking new negotiations with the EU.
First come the negotiations. The Swiss government cannot introduce quotas tomorrow morning.

And sorry, the SVP has not made the text available in English.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

5.30pm today conference press by federal government.
Watch live here.
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Wait a minute, translation issue here. In that context, verlangen and demand don't translate directly. In German, one has to say verlangen because the initiative leads necesarrily to new negociations. It is not the same connotation than in English. German word is purely technical, the English direct equivalent "demand" would have an arrogance the German one doesn't have.
it doesn't mean that EU will go into negotiations…they could just cancel the Bilaterals (or?)
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Old 09.02.2014, 18:32
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Personally, I don't think that it will have a major impact on the overall level of immigration. There will be the need for skilled workers so ways will be found to accommodate ehe needs of the big businesses.
It is the requirement to renegotiate the bilateral within three years or break it that is going to cause all the problem and the uncertainty it introduces for business investment. It is very hard to negotiate with someone that does not want to negotiate espically when they are more powerful than you and it is not clear what you have to offer that is worth negotiating for!
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Should have chosen my words better 'shameful' is more apt.

Care to enlight us with your logic for the yes vote?
The traffic over the past ten years has become absurd, all due to the large number of frontaliers.

My daughter found it a better idea to move to tha US, rather than look for a job in TI, as they are all being taken by frontaliers who are willing to work for far less.

Need I continue?

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it doesn't mean that EU will go into negotiations…they could just cancel the Bilaterals (or?)
Not even that, the Bundesrat has three years to renegotiate with the EU.
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Old 09.02.2014, 18:34
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

I take it from the results that nothing drastically is going to change in terms of our expat lives and that someone will still need me on the job here
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this is my latest fb status:

some expats support the svp initiative more than the average hans-ueli stuck in the end of a valley in berner oberland. the mind boggles.
Yeah as if Switzerland (and Europe for that matter) hadn't enough hillbillies
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

"Severin Schwan, Austrian CEO of Roche Pharmaceuticals, said that about half of the employees at the research and development site in Basel, Switzerland are foreigners.

The head of Swissmem - a leader in electrical and mechanical engineering - Hans Hess believes that Switzerland’s economy is successful because of innovation, which requires a steady stream of qualified immigrants.


"Innovation is the driver of the Swiss economy. That's why we need highly qualified workers inside Switzerland and from abroad," Hess said.
Indeed, four in every ten new companies were founded by foreigners, according to Orell Fuessli Wirtschaftsinformationen AG. Those new companies also created 30,000 jobs in 2013."


http://rt.com/news/switzerland-votes...ation-cap-224/


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The traffic over the past ten years has become absurd, all due to the large number of frontaliers.

My daughter found it a better idea to move to tha US, rather than look for a job in TI, as they are all being taken by frontaliers who are willing to work for far less.

Need I continue?

Tom
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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You don't appear to even be in Switzerland!

When I arrived here in 1989 I heard over and over again how Switzerland was about to go under. The more so when the people rejected joining European Economic Area, a step to EU membership. I guess we'll be hearing these comments in 100 years' time too.

This result will delight the British and a number of other EU members who would love to vote the same...
You don't appear to even be in Switzerland!
Correct, will be back soon though.

When I arrived here in 1989 I heard over and over again how Switzerland was about to go under. The more so when the people rejected joining European Economic Area, a step to EU membership. I guess we'll be hearing these comments in 100 years' time too.
Not sure on that one.

This result will delight the British and a number of other EU members who would love to vote the same...
The Brits are renowned for their very well-informed and non-insular views of the European idea. Murdoch is a sterling chap!
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

BTW Germany and Italy and more densely populated than Switzerland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ity#Main_table

But watch out, it's getting too crowded here!!!!!!!

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The traffic over the past ten years has become absurd, all due to the large number of frontaliers.

My daughter found it a better idea to move to tha US, rather than look for a job in TI, as they are all being taken by frontaliers who are willing to work for far less.

Need I continue?

Tom
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this is my latest fb status:

some expats support the svp initiative more than the average hans-ueli stuck in the end of a valley in berner oberland. The mind boggles.
Is it just me? The term 'mudblood' keeps popping up in my head...

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The traffic over the past ten years has become absurd, all due to the large number of frontaliers.

My daughter found it a better idea to move to tha US, rather than look for a job in TI, as they are all being taken by frontaliers who are willing to work for far less.

Need I continue?

Tom
have the local politicians taken this is up with the local companies? Why the true patriots of Ticcino rather hire Italians than the locals?

The minimum wage initiative will solve this in Ticcino…but I assume you will vote NO to that one too...
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"Severin Schwan, Austrian CEO of Roche Pharmaceuticals, said that about half of the employees at the research and development site in Basel, Switzerland are foreigners.

The head of Swissmem - a leader in electrical and mechanical engineering - Hans Hess believes that Switzerland’s economy is successful because of innovation, which requires a steady stream of qualified immigrants.


"Innovation is the driver of the Swiss economy. That's why we need highly qualified workers inside Switzerland and from abroad," Hess said.
Indeed, four in every ten new companies were founded by foreigners, according to Orell Fuessli Wirtschaftsinformationen AG. Those new companies also created 30,000 jobs in 2013."


http://rt.com/news/switzerland-votes...ation-cap-224/
About ""Severin Schwan, Austrian CEO of Roche Pharmaceuticals, said that about half of the employees at the research and development site in Basel, Switzerland are foreigners."

As I have posted before - you cannot replace these with farm boys and the well educated Swiss already have good jobs

Sadly most people outside the country who do not understand the vote will now label us as racist
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