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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Good question from a journalist to Doris Leuthard: given that the population refuses the mass-immigration ....does it still make sense to invest in the train infrastructure if less people will come in this country?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Yeah as if Switzerland (and Europe for that matter) hadn't enough hillbillies
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

You dont make an agreement, break it and then say that the other party would act like a child. Agreements are made to be respected and honored....

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Looks like the SVP thing passed. It's a pity that the Swiss government didn't manage the immigration situation better and that this borderline racist initiative was felt to be necessary by the general population. However, it was clear that something needed to be done. Let's see whether the EU is capable of accepting a democratic vote or whether they'll react like a small child.
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Old 09.02.2014, 18:45
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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"Severin Schwan, Austrian CEO of Roche Pharmaceuticals, said that about half of the employees at the research and development site in Basel, Switzerland are foreigners.
What's good for Basel has nothing to do with what is good for Ticino.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Is it just me? The term 'mudblood' keeps popping up in my head...

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Old 09.02.2014, 18:46
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Good question from a journalist to Doris Leuthard: given that the population refuses the mass-immigration ....does it still make sense to invest in the train infrastructure if less people will come in this country?
We voted no on that as well.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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why on earth do EU want to re-negotiate this? they have not one single reason to...
The problem is that if they don't, they might cause major problems for the almost 2 million EU citizens who live in Switzerland now. So yes, they will renegotiate. Otherwise the economy here will undoubtedly shrink and the EU citizens here will be the first who'll feel the effects of that.
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

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You dont make an agreement, break it and then say that the other party would act like a child. Agreements are made to be respected and honored....
Very much so. The EU has already warned Switzerland that it can't pick and choose. Switzerland must accept that it's a small country with little to offer - that 50% of it's market is the EU. If I were running Brussels I'd blockade the border and make Switzerland try and sell it's Pharma elsewhere....and see how long those Pharma companies stayed in Basel after that.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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BTW Germany and Italy and more densely populated than Switzerland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ity#Main_table

But watch out, it's getting too crowded here!!!!!!!
too bad 1/3 or more of our land is uninhabitable mountain area.

most swiss don't have EF-problems like "how to live under 120k" but more like "how to pay a rent thats half my salary" problems.
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

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No, this was not a democratic vote in the EU, it was in Switzerland. If any renegotiation of agreements with the EU is attempted it's Brussels' duty to act in the best interests of EU members and that does not include Switzerland.
Indeed, the best interests of the EU will almost certainly be in the worst interests of Switzerland - it's the responsibility of the EU to punish Swiss arrogance mercilessly and I'm confident that's exactly what will happen.
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Old 09.02.2014, 18:50
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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The minimum wage initiative will solve this in Ticcino…but I assume you will vote NO to that one too...
It would only solve the problem for those making less that the minimum wage, but not for most people.

Therefore, an obvious NO.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

And yet this "crowded nation" is still less densely populated than your neighbors Italy and Germany...


hmmmm maybe this is just a red herring...
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too bad 1/3 or more of our land is uninhabitable mountain area.

most swiss don't have EF-problems like "how to live under 120k" but more like "how to pay a rent thats half my salary" problems.
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No, this was not a democratic vote in the EU, it was in Switzerland. If any renegotiation of agreements with the EU is attempted it's Brussels' duty to act in the best interests of EU members and that does not include Switzerland.
The problem is that potential renegotiations will be more about interior politics of the EU then about the relation with Switzerland. I don't think that the EU will violate its own principles justvto accommodate Switzerland. Lets not forget that the importance of Switzerland for the EU is rather marginal (although Swiss politicians like to blow this out of proportions). Thus the leverage is on the side of the EU.
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Old 09.02.2014, 18:56
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

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If I were running Brussels I'd blockade the border and make Switzerland try and sell it's Pharma elsewhere....and see how long those Pharma companies stayed in Basel after that.
And if I were running Switzerland, I'd blocade the border as well, and see how much everyone prefers the Brenner and Mont Blanc routes!

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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"Severin Schwan, Austrian CEO of Roche Pharmaceuticals, said that about half of the employees at the research and development site in Basel, Switzerland are foreigners.

The head of Swissmem - a leader in electrical and mechanical engineering - Hans Hess believes that Switzerland’s economy is successful because of innovation, which requires a steady stream of qualified immigrants.


"Innovation is the driver of the Swiss economy. That's why we need highly qualified workers inside Switzerland and from abroad," Hess said.
Indeed, four in every ten new companies were founded by foreigners, according to Orell Fuessli Wirtschaftsinformationen AG. Those new companies also created 30,000 jobs in 2013."


http://rt.com/news/switzerland-votes...ation-cap-224/
And that's why there will be relatively little difference for those people that actually can contribute to Switzerland. Those who have no skills are unfortunately out of luck, but those who have skills that Switzerland needs then I doubt there will be a problem.

If it goes back to quotas then situation won't be any different from when I first arrived - I got through it, as did many other forum members.

Anyway it's an initiative against Einwanderung (immigration), so those of us already here on at least a B or married to a swiss shouldn't have anything to worry about, at least until the permit runs out or divorce beckons.
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Looks like a very close Yes.

Currently it's 1.392 million Yes votes vs. 1.349 million No votes, i.e. about 43'000 votes in favor of the initiative, with only the results from the City of Kloten and the district Bern-Mittelland missing.
Where do you see these detailed results?
I added the intermediary results from the cantons Zurich and Berne to the national tally from Teletext, because I wanted to figure out how likely either result was.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

And what happens if Germany or France starts putting quotas on the number of Swiss living there?
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics...l?cid=35214184

"More than 700,000 Swiss citizens live outside the country's borders, making up about ten per cent of the total population. Most expats reside in neighbouring European countries."

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Would this not depend on at what level the quota is set at?

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And that's why there will be relatively little difference for those people that actually can contribute to Switzerland. Those who have no skills are unfortunately out of luck, but those who have skills that Switzerland needs then I doubt there will be a problem.
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We voted no on that as well.

Tom
Your logic is inescapable here Wouldn't that have helped your daughter

As you well know, the Jura and Neuchatel Jura also have high unemployment and large numbers of Frontaliers who also accept low salaries- and yet they voted a clear 'no'- as they realise there are better ways to solve the problems. The watch making and precision engineering industries need to negotiate salaries and conditions, and train more unemployed and young people to fill the vacancies here. The minimum wage of course will not apply to well qualified staff in either of the above mentioned industries- but wage rates for those jobs will and are the way forwards.

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Some good WEBsites are ready for tomorrow, like

http://www.statistik.zh.ch/internet/...resultate.html

And the latest polls of CH-TV show a YES for the railways, a NO against the abortion-initiative and a very very narrow NO against the immigration-initiative. But the result can be different in whatever way
I understand what has been voted, but I am unclear if it affects EU workers, residents on a B permit. Does this mean that a C permit will no longer be automatic after 5 years' residence?
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