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Old 09.02.2014, 19:03
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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And what happens if Germany or France starts putting quotas on the number of Swiss living there?
Well, considering that 4x as many of them live here than us there, a quota of 1 for 1 wouldn't be a problem at all!

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It would only solve the problem for those making less that the minimum wage, but not for most people.

Therefore, an obvious NO.

Tom
but the local companies will not hire low wage cross boarders if they must pay a minimum wage - i.e. dumping would not be allowed, right? Which seems to be the main problem in Ticcino…no? Isn't that what you want?…or maybe not...
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Your logic is inescapable here Wouldn't that have helped your daughter
She made above the proposed minimum, so how would it have helped?

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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The traffic over the past ten years has become absurd, all due to the large number of frontaliers.

My daughter found it a better idea to move to tha US, rather than look for a job in TI, as they are all being taken by frontaliers who are willing to work for far less.

Need I continue?

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Yep, it's definitely everybody else's fault that your daughter was simply not good enough
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but the local companies will not hire low wage cross boarders if they must pay a minimum wage - i.e. dumping would not be allowed, right? Which seems to be the main problem in Ticcino…no? Isn't that what you want?…or maybe not...
They already pay above the proposed minimum!

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Old 09.02.2014, 19:06
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We don't know yet. It's up to the Swiss goverment/EU to decide where we go from here.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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The % of the vote in Ticino is truly unbelievable, I'd say shameful.
Have you read or seen the reports about what's going on down there?

IMHO the Ticinesi had plenty of reasons to vote yes.
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Yep, it's definitely everybody else's fault that your daughter was simply not good enough
On the contrary, she had no problem finding a job, but could see that wages were being reduced.

So she went to CA and got a job there, within a week.

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

And since France has a population nearly ten times as big who would feel it more? French companies and German and Italians would still have full access to the E.U. labor market while the Swiss would not. Which is perhaps why so many business leaders were opposed.

But eh, it's you're country, I'm just passing through!

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Well, considering that 4x as many of them live here than us there, a quota of 1 for 1 wouldn't be a problem at all!

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Old 09.02.2014, 19:10
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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On the contrary, she had no problem finding a job, but could see that wages were being reduced.

So she went to CA and got a job there, within a week.

Tom
Sorry that she felt she had to go to the USA to find a job - but I am glad it worked out for her.
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Would this not depend on at what level the quota is set at?
I believe the quota would apply to newcomers, the same as they do to non-EU people now.
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Re: results on 9 Feb 14

50.3% voted in favour of introduced EU quotas. It only needed 50% to pass. Brief commentary on www.bbc.co.uk
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Well, considering that 4x as many of them live here than us there, a quota of 1 for 1 wouldn't be a problem at all!

Tom
Why are you talking about 'us' and 'them'? Weren't you once an US citizen?

Do you feel like you have more right to be here just because you happened to marry a Swiss citizen?
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Do you feel like you have more right to be here just because you happened to marry a Swiss citizen?
More right than you!? - Yes! - Why!? - Well for starters Tom has Swiss nationality whereas you do not ... savvy!?
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On the contrary, she had no problem finding a job, but could see that wages were being reduced.

So she went to CA and got a job there, within a week.

Tom
Maybe it was the closemindedness of Suisse that drove her there.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Surprised this was passed. Kind of ignored it because my wife and I thought for sure it wouldn't.

Funny story...On Friday my Wife was on a train and sat next to a Swiss guy. He struck up conversation and this proposal topic came up, in perfect Swiss-German with Graubünden dialect. He asked her how she was voting (his tone was pro initiative). To his surprise she said she can't vote. "But you are Swiss" he said. "No" she said. Born here 40 years ago to non-Swiss (German and Netherlander parents). She was raised here for 18 years, just like a Swiss, but was not Swiss. She said who she works for (a non- Swiss company) and her job was created for HER and her alone when we moved here. She took no job away from any Swiss, but pays into Swiss taxes. She asked him if she should be lumped into this Foreigner pool too. He went silent.

But now that it passed, we have some concerns...

Should foreigners here be worried about being kicked out of Switzerland over this renegotiation of the EU's bilateral agreement? If you are already here are you safe or should you be worried when it's time to renew your Visa (B in our case)?

Are all foreigners lumped into the same pool as their definition of "foreigners?" In other words, does this include Asylum seekers or people born here to non-Swiss parents?

If they did have to start kicking people out, many jobs would be affected. Just at my shop, all my direct coworkers are auslanders. At least 1/2 of the total employees at my shop are.

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Why are you talking about 'us' and 'them'? Weren't you once an US citizen?

Do you feel like you have more right to be here just because you happened to marry a Swiss citizen?
Swiss citizen issued of immigration he says. I am Swiss- of immigration too- the Huguenots, a long time ago. Married to a Swiss who is a Brit who was South African. And I voted 'NO'..

There was a lovely article in our local paper last week. A young 3rd generation Italian writing about how shocking he found the number of 3rd generation immigrants like him, who were for the initiative. He said something like 'what is the difference between me, and my grand-father who arrived with a carboard suitcase all those years ago- and what it the difference with the immigrants of today?'. Both our familes have so many immigrants over the generations, the Huguenots who came to the Jura, or my aunts and uncles who emigratd to the USA in the 20s and 30s- as there was no hope nor jobs for them here. My OH's parents who fled Apartheid- and so many more. And all my friends from the 50s at school, freshly arrived from very poor regions of Italy or Spain?
What makes some expats who have acquired Swiss citizenship different form them???
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Neither is subject of this initiative, but new negotiations about the PFZ.
nice. if the new laws can be implemented without the EU objecting it will be excellent
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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too bad 1/3 or more of our land is uninhabitable mountain area.

most swiss don't have EF-problems like "how to live under 120k" but more like "how to pay a rent thats half my salary" problems.
A fair comment. CH also does have infrastructural problems as has already been discussed elsewhere on this thread.

In my humble opinion the way to address the above would have been to talk with the EU and / or have gotten them so see your point of view vis-a-vis "bending the rules" a wee bit.

Direct confrontation is rarely, it at all, productive.
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Direct confrontation is rarely, it at all, productive.
on the contrary. i think now switzerland will get some compromise on and acceptable quota on incoming people.
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